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its a great reply spoken from knowledge and experience from somebody actually in the middle of it all best posting ive seen on the non footie forum

Jerry wrote: ↑31 May 2017, 00:05 Good luck trying to get the authorities to do anything that might upset the Saudis.

"He is absolutely correct in what he is saying. The man was NOT a Muslim, he was a supporter of isis, and therefore a terrorist.

He lived in the Muslim community, but his beliefs bear little resemblance to what those who follow Islam actually believe. That was what Andy Burnham was trying to get across. The minute all Muslims are looked at as terrorists, isis will have won, because they want to spread fear and hatred throughout the world. The fact of the matter is, "normal" Muslims are just normal people like you and I, who go about their jobs in the same way that we all do too.

The Manchester bomber, and those of similar beliefs, are far from normal, and must be portrayed as such."

that's it aint it he could be the greatest president ever ( I doubt it buts just my opinion ) or he could end in jail (don't know that either), like him or loath him to man doesn't do safe boring middle its one extreme or the other which is fun to watch for just pure entertainment factor.

Or he'll be impeached and arrested either way makes great television

Thing is though chief really it all comes down to what one believes you think the far lefts on the ascendancy I think the far right is depends what you believe is far right or far left etc , I think were never agree on it comes it really comes down to what one sees and believes and we could post all the evidence we want and argue till the cows come home it dnt matter, I apologise for some of the behaviour in some of my posts and wnt "attack" you again or take it so personally if ive got a well reasoned argument ill offer it if not I won't and as for America were tame school boys compared to both sides over that are madder than a box of frogs and no comprise in their commitment to there sides is absolute wheres we can agree to disagree and whilst being snipping neither of us throw bricks at each other and that's on both sides

and I did look up the treadeau bits a liitle bit ones a Canadian girl talking about a load of things just confused me so I didn't watch it all and there other is the hour long Canadian senate passing the said bill which is just to long and little boreing tbh now its not ideological its boredom and time and im not dismissing them either its perfectively good evidence, so did my own bit of research and yep I agree its very dodgy and im really surprised it went through without real challenge but its not the first bill against freedoms passed the snoopers charter went through here 2, and for future reference seems we seem to be on a much more amiable track the whole gender self indentifacation thing or what ever it is boggles i dnt really get it

Yes and from what I got from some of the articles you put up is that lies distorts and misrepresents so I said it as you claim the bbc do it but I think your articles do 2 and yes I suppose calling you a hypocrite is a little attack but im yet to see articles about what some right wing groups or pro misogamists do because they funnily want the same thing more balanced view no?, yes I answered that the first time im very happy for people 2 make there minds up they will anyway . chose my label a berets never been my thing and there's a lot of photographs of me a my picked label meetings and rally's 2 outa 3 aint bad

well thank you and maybe I do being a man I find that a bit funny but ok, I do see how dislike of very one small group of small group of right wingers causes prejudice and bigotry but ok, but do you follow this principle yourself you seem to have little to say on the right its always left ,feminist or pc brigade I see very little about extremists groups the right and what they want to do.

1. im not a "Marxist feminist Liberal politically correct 'social justice warrior" being neither a Marxist, a feminist, liberal hmm I think that's an American thing or something but point is I dnt know what it really is so not one of those either, pc not me really either and the only social justice ive ever really been apart of was the NHS march last year if that counts but if not im not that either but thanks for the assumption maybe u should ask me what I am before calling me something a chap I did say about discussion but you wanted to call me something instead how typical of the right see I can do that 2 chief we can both be hypocrits together now happier? I never demanded citations or evidence I just said I thought there was lies distortion and misrepresentations in the articles you put up(you've never actualy asked why btw just accusations and asumptions) or are you just lumping me in with all the people that disagree with you , I might look at you trudeau bits later I say might because you just cudnt not have your little dig at the end. you do not know me yet have expectations of me how can expect something of someone you don't know and know little about but assumption seems very much your way in the last post you've done it a lot about me and to quote game of thrones you know nothing john snow and before you get your knickers in a twist ive never said anything about you personaly other than being a hypocrite not made any asumptions , yes the right can be oppressive but so can the left see middle ground!! and Teresa may a feminist pc sociliast whoever would say that is blinder that stevie wonder

but as I said its personel reasons for my dislike of ukip not ideology as in done something personel to me and my family if its my spectacles as you suggest then its spectacles of revenge and hated for a minority of ukip supporters who caused me and mine a lot of misery call me ignorant yes buts not ideological

so now people can see my reasoned argument on why I think your a hypocrite and if you ever want an actual discussion about the left and what it wants instead of posting articles telling me what im suppose to be wanting and doing (think i've missed a lot of these secret meetings and groups maybe im of to much of a sound and reasonable mind to go to lefty never never land that only exists in righty mad made up land ) im here not hard to find you cant speak for the entire left of coarse only being one person but you might have a less alarmist view mind cos I wont fit into the narrow stereotype the articles your post present and instead of posting articles telling me what im doing you might get an actual an actual idea of what some of us are doing think I can do a much better job of speaking for the left than you though you do give a good go mind, and that's if I have time of coarse yano how it is plotting the end of the world , over turning britext turning us into North Korea with much flasher uniforms does take up a lot of a mans time and that whole plan to subvert free speech you wudnt believe how much time that takes up especially when we have to find a building to fit us and those on the right who want to end it cos the whole pc brigade defiantly aint just left theres quite a few righty's in the to but I know that doesn't fit into your whole end of free speech because anything the left doesn't agree with narrative sorry! well not really so yep im quite happy for people to compare and decide for themselves who's the bigot and hypocrite or more than likely it will be whos the lefty talking nonsense and the righty who cant stand any criticism

I never called you a bigot so lets get that right for a start, I called you a hypocrite because you post articles about how the left does this, wants to do this, this feminist are going to do that, this other this groups gonna do this but when you read the article there's no evidence to support this maybe our source says if you lucky but most of it is just opinion pieces no actual proof or evidence as such. Yet you go on about how the left spreads propaganda , tells lies , distorts facts when most of the articles you post are exactly the same thing! hence why I think your a hypocrite and all my post show is I dnt like ukip or far right wingers like Le Penn, think Nigel Farage is a bullshit artist, I think the articles you post contain lies, distorts, and misrepresents and I think your a hypocrite so if anybody can have an idea about my character from them little tid bits then that's up to them but I never said anything about ur views or you other than I think your a hypocrite the lies, distorts, and misrepresents was about the articles you publish I never said nought about you personally other than the said hypocracy if you actualy read my post instead planning on how your going to make some veiled reference to my character and making up some fake attack/assignation youd see that, and I know im not a bigot, hypocrite cause I am im human but at least ill admit it

aye maybe but my problems with ukip and a minority of its voters are much more personnel so ill celebrate their defeat without looking at the big picture

it is great cant stand Nuttall and UKIP I hope them become as irrelevant as the BNP, im hoping it isn't so large 2 but I have a lot more hope than I did a few months ago going by social media.