Manager

[rooster]

I really think this argument of Ling not being given extra funds is a totally flawed one. Knill was given some extra cash to save us from relegation, in a year where Ling blew his budget and left nothing for loanees. That's Ling's fault, not Knill, nor the board's. By the seems of it, we were paying good money to have some very average players in the squad and due to him leaving nothing in the pot, we couldn't bring in any other bodies.

At the time of Ling's request for more funds, the board thought we would be mid table and decided not to give him extra money. It then got worse with Ling obviously being affected by it and a few trips to the Dog & Duck too many and we're in a relegation scrap with no manager, an assistant who obviously had no knowledge of tactics and had to rush sign an unfit ex-player. This is not the board's fault, they saw a run of form which although not great, was not that bad and SHOULD have been turned around. It didn't happen because of Ling's failure in motivating a team, failure in managing his budget correctly and his failure to solve his own problems without blowing his wages on beer (I don't have much time for people who drink to hide from their problems, I consider it as cowardly as suicide. If anything, more cowardly, at least it takes some kahunas to kill yourself).

Knill is now on a run of form similar to Ling's, with a new team and not the gelled one from last season. He has money left in the budget to bring in a loanee or two (and possibly Mozika) and the players he has brought in, I think, are excellent signings. Remembering Ling had a slow start, I think we'll be just fine with Knill.

Absolute rubbish and not sure this is really the place to make accusations that you obviously have no knowledge of and even if it was true a pretty stupid and disgusting comment to make and not something i want to be part of anymore............

[cambgull]

In regards to Ling, you're both assuming I don't have my own sources who know quite a lot about the situation, both with the club and away from it.

In regards to alcoholism, you're assuming I have never met, befriended and loved people with these problems.

[ferrarilover]

They're some strong feelings regarding suicide. Catholic?

Regards the booze, do I recall correctly that you had a wife (or some other spouse) who drank herself into oblivion?

Matt.

[cambgull]

They're some strong feelings regarding suicide. Catholic?

Regards the booze, do I recall correctly that you had a wife (or some other spouse) who drank herself into oblivion?

Matt.

No, not Catholic or religious in any way, just opinionated.

As for the second half, you must know my previous incarnation on TUFC/Football forums, as I don't think I've ever mentioned that under my current alias. My views are the same ones as she shared...

[rooster]

Well your source(s) are way off the mark and perhaps are trying to justify there actions or ignorance......................

[jonnyfive]

Woah there cambgull! Way over the top. Have a couple of voddies and chill out ;0)

[jonnyfive]

They're some strong feelings regarding suicide. Catholic?

Regards the booze, do I recall correctly that you had a wife (or some other spouse) who drank herself into oblivion?

Matt.

World-class diplomacy right there.

[ferrarilover]

Damn straight, I'm Kofi Annan's go to guy in almost all matters.

Glad to see someone else knows what's going on with Ling. Come on Rooster, it's not libellous if it's true, have it out with you, man!

Matt.

[usagullmichigan]

I really think this argument of Ling not being given extra funds is a totally flawed one. Knill was given some extra cash to save us from relegation, in a year where Ling blew his budget and left nothing for loanees. That's Ling's fault, not Knill, nor the board's. By the seems of it, we were paying good money to have some very average players in the squad and due to him leaving nothing in the pot, we couldn't bring in any other bodies.

At the time of Ling's request for more funds, the board thought we would be mid table and decided not to give him extra money. It then got worse with Ling obviously being affected by it and a few trips to the Dog & Duck too many and we're in a relegation scrap with no manager, an assistant who obviously had no knowledge of tactics and had to rush sign an unfit ex-player. This is not the board's fault, they saw a run of form which although not great, was not that bad and SHOULD have been turned around. It didn't happen because of Ling's failure in motivating a team, failure in managing his budget correctly and his failure to solve his own problems without blowing his wages on beer (I don't have much time for people who drink to hide from their problems, I consider it as cowardly as suicide. If anything, more cowardly, at least it takes some kahunas to kill yourself).

Knill is now on a run of form similar to Ling's, with a new team and not the gelled one from last season. He has money left in the budget to bring in a loanee or two (and possibly Mozika) and the players he has brought in, I think, are excellent signings. Remembering Ling had a slow start, I think we'll be just fine with Knill.

What did Ling blow the budget on? He sold players on for good money but was given hardly any of it in return. He then asked at Xmas for funds and was refused.

[cambgull]

If he had left money in the budget for loanees, there wouldn't have been any argument. He obviously didn't, hence why he had to request more money. Seemingly I will have to explain to people how budgeting works. At work, I'm given a weekly budget which I have negotiated with the company, I have to work out the cost prices of items and then decide on which products I'd want to bring in. I can work it so that I don't order as much one week, then I can order more the next week. I can request extra funds if I feel there are products that we desperately need and we will sell, but I have to ask for them. It is then down to the buyers to decide whether it is worthwhile.

Similar to a football manager, he will be given a budget to work with for the entire year. In our case, I believe it's around £1 million a year. If he only decides to spend £750,000 of it, then he will have £250,000 to work with later on in the season, or he can make his employers very happy and not use it, as long as he meets his targets. If he needs more money to bring in players as he has already spent the full £1 million, he will have to request it and it is then down to the board to decide whether it is worthwhile. In this case, he had seemingly spent his budget and then requested more, which was then rejected. If he hasn't spent his whole budget and the board still said he couldn't use it, then there is a much bigger argument to have, but from what I have heard, this wasn't the case.

[rooster]

Damn straight, I'm Kofi Annan's go to guy in almost all matters.

Glad to see someone else knows what's going on with Ling. Come on Rooster, it's not libellous if it's true, have it out with you, man!

Matt.

The problem you have is if its not true!, and I know for a fact it isn't

[Dave]

Problem is rooster, I know for a fact it is true. See it's easy.You've had plenty to say on this subject if you want people to listen reveal who you are and your facts.

[gullintwoplaces]

I was sat next to a bloke who I didn't know.
In the second half he said that he wasn't coming again because it cost £40 + per game and he thought that we were worse than ever! - he is obviously a pretty good judge.

Not really Brucie, this bloke "you didn't know" hasn't got a clue, bit like you really. Come on you yellows, great win today.

[rooster]

Lets just say I know i'm right.......................
anyway more importantly a great win today, lets hope it starts from here

[DevonYellow]

Which is like deciding which car to buy based on the smell of the tires. Sure, you can allege that these prophecies about good season/bad season after three games are based on "something" but it's something so irrelevant that any correct predictions are sheer luck and mathematical anomaly, rather than anything else.

There's a scam, perpetrated mainly in America, where "psychics" will send out predictions on things with two fixed outcomes (the result of a baseball or tennis match, for example). They send 1 version to 1000 people and another version to another 1000 people. Version 1 says Murray will win the match, version 2 says Nadal will win. They do this three or four times. Maths says that at least some people will get only the correct predictions. These people (being American, therefore stupid) will believe that the psychic really has powers beyond our world and will donate vast sums of money in the hope of continuing to receive these accurate, divine messages.
What some people on here do (we all know who they are), is a similar thing. They constantly predict doom and gloom, then come screaming about their advanced knowledge of the game when their predictions come true. It's a fallacy. Predict that we'll lose every week based on some myth about our team being the worst in the division, the opposition looking better than us etc etc, it doesn't matter if you're talking out of your arse, you will always be right some of the time and, provided you make enough noise when you are right, people will take notice.

Nothing, NOTHING long term can be based on the first three games of the season. Very little could be based on the first 10 games of the season. To do so would be as absurd as claiming some ability to predict lottery numbers based on winning the lottery. Even if you do turn out to be right, it was pot luck, not skill.

I'll show you how this works in reverse, if you like. Every week, I'll predict that we'll win, we'll be miles better than the opposition, we'll smash them all over the shop, man for man we'll win every battle. I'll "back this up" with some facts and figures I pull straight out of my arse. When we lose, I'll go quiet but when we win, I'll be all over the board like a rash and, you watch, people, new people and those who can't or won't go to games will start to believe me. I'll get called a moron by people who really do know what they're talking about, but I'll just ignore it and march on regardless.

So, Torquay 4 - 0 Northants, they'll be lucky to get the nil. We've got a far better squad than they have, our players are, on average, 3 inches shorter than theirs and, as we all know, Ginafranco Zola was a much better player than Tore Andre Flo, so that's empirical proof that short players are better than tall players. I sat next to a bloke at the AFCW game who said this was the best Torquay side he'd ever seen.

See, it's easy.

Matt.

Make some great points here Matt, where are the peddlers of doom tonight?