Matt this will make your job easier on the forum.ferrarilover wrote:And that is precisely why the whole evening will be a waste of time...
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Forever's questions posed on the 'Questions' thread regarding the Plainmoor pitch/drainage and Seale Hayne need to be put, together with his citations where the Club has publicly acknowledged the problems. It's asking for trouble if Hargreaves is having to find somewhere else to train between November and February. Failing to sort out the BB side drainage won't help matters either.
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I was at Seale Hayne this very evening. We've had appalling rain over the last 24 hours and there was barely a puddle to be seen. It's no more likely to flood than anywhere else made of grass.
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Rob, I would be delighted if anyone wished to ask those questions on my behalf.Rjc70 wrote:Forever's questions posed on the 'Questions' thread regarding the Plainmoor pitch/drainage and Seale Hayne need to be put, together with his citations where the Club has publicly acknowledged the problems. It's asking for trouble if Hargreaves is having to find somewhere else to train between November and February. Failing to sort out the BB side drainage won't help matters either.
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HAHAHA. This post is a wind up right, it has to be, it can't be serious, surely not. After all, the professor of the terminally stupid would be completely and utterly incapable of demonstrating such a high level of stupidity.ferrarilover wrote:I was at Seale Hayne this very evening. We've had appalling rain over the last 24 hours and there was barely a puddle to be seen. It's no more likely to flood than anywhere else made of grass.
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If your being serious here, which I doubt, this is worrying. Surely I don't have to go through the old 1 pint of water in a 1 pint jug scenario to explain pitch waterlogging to someone with your intelligence.ferrarilover wrote:Go on then, enlighten me...
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I really haven't the first clue what you're on about.
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SIGH; Every pitch (soil) is made up of shall we say particles and pore holes (voids) but of course you already know this, larger the pore hole the better the drainage, sand based good, clay based poor. Every pitch has a water table and a gap between to the surface, I choose to describe that as a pint pot, once that pint pot is full and the water has no where to go it spills out over the top, waterlogged.
Five of the last seven days before you went to Seale Hayne there has been nothing but wall to wall sunshine, so the torrential rain that fell between Wednesday and Thursday was never going to fill the gap (pint pot) and cause Seale Hayne to waterlog, was it, but again you know this.
Come late November when the sun has packed up and gone to the other side, and it rains day in day out, the voids in the soil fill and soon the pint pot is full. So all I'm suggesting/asking is, has the drainage at Seale Hayne/ Bristow's bench been looked at, is the work going to carried out , if not, come mid winter once again the training ground will be u-s and we'll suffer postponements to what could be some very important league games.
Five of the last seven days before you went to Seale Hayne there has been nothing but wall to wall sunshine, so the torrential rain that fell between Wednesday and Thursday was never going to fill the gap (pint pot) and cause Seale Hayne to waterlog, was it, but again you know this.
Come late November when the sun has packed up and gone to the other side, and it rains day in day out, the voids in the soil fill and soon the pint pot is full. So all I'm suggesting/asking is, has the drainage at Seale Hayne/ Bristow's bench been looked at, is the work going to carried out , if not, come mid winter once again the training ground will be u-s and we'll suffer postponements to what could be some very important league games.
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I never suggested it was. The two statements were somewhat separate. My car park was covered in puddles. It is made of grass and concrete. SH was entirely free of puddles, it is made of grass. One of the small parks in my village has a grass field and it was sodden. The rain we had was sufficient to cause a perfectly ordinary grass field to be covered in puddles. SH was barely even wet. It clearly wasn't long lasting flooding, merely more rain than an "average" field could handle in a given period.
I'm not suggesting it was flooded, as in, all the spaces between the particles of soil were full of water, I'm saying that all fields have a maximum rate at which they can drain away rain water (X gallons/hour/yard^2, perhaps).
Assuming that the same amount of rain fell at the same rate on both the field down the road and SH and that neither amount was enough to fill the 'voids' completely, them we're forced to conclude that SH is capable of draining more gallons/hour/yard^2 because it was drier than the field. Whether this makes my field poor and SH average, or whether my field is average and SH is excellent, I really couldn't say. All I can say is that I don't believe it's a case that, in terms of the rate at which the pitches drain, SH is any worse than average, and thereby any the more likely to flood than anything else made of grass.
Whether it is a peculiar type of soil with a low maximum capacity, perhaps it's more dense than other types, is another matter. However, given that it is clearly no worse than average at draining, this would seem unlikely, since you'd imagine a dense field being slow to drain.
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I'm not suggesting it was flooded, as in, all the spaces between the particles of soil were full of water, I'm saying that all fields have a maximum rate at which they can drain away rain water (X gallons/hour/yard^2, perhaps).
Assuming that the same amount of rain fell at the same rate on both the field down the road and SH and that neither amount was enough to fill the 'voids' completely, them we're forced to conclude that SH is capable of draining more gallons/hour/yard^2 because it was drier than the field. Whether this makes my field poor and SH average, or whether my field is average and SH is excellent, I really couldn't say. All I can say is that I don't believe it's a case that, in terms of the rate at which the pitches drain, SH is any worse than average, and thereby any the more likely to flood than anything else made of grass.
Whether it is a peculiar type of soil with a low maximum capacity, perhaps it's more dense than other types, is another matter. However, given that it is clearly no worse than average at draining, this would seem unlikely, since you'd imagine a dense field being slow to drain.
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http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/T ... story.html
Well there's a bit of good news re; Seale Hayne , why the fork either of the staff members who log in here, or Matt if you knew this couldn't have posted this when I asked the question (questions thread) is beyond me, hardly a state secret worthy of a fanfare.
Well there's a bit of good news re; Seale Hayne , why the fork either of the staff members who log in here, or Matt if you knew this couldn't have posted this when I asked the question (questions thread) is beyond me, hardly a state secret worthy of a fanfare.
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As it's tonight will bump this thread.
Also anyone know whether it's in gulls nest or number 10s?
Also anyone know whether it's in gulls nest or number 10s?
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It's always previously been in 10s.
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Well it could be that hardly anybody turns up. Is it all ticket? 
It seems the club has lost interest in it's fans and vice versa.
Nearly a month and a half since we were relegated and nothing has happened, started to be addressed or even been talked about. If you think that this exercise will change any of that then good luck to you. Formulaic answers already prepared waiting to answer banal questions no doubt. Any of the more serious, passionate and determined questioners will be ejected under the assumption that they are aggressive troublemakers which makes it handy as they won't then have to answer the question asked of them. This also makes it easy for the media team as the planned 'edited highlights' to go up on the O/S will not have to be bothered with after all because there won't be any.
A Fan's Forum is a superb idea for the club to listen to the fans concerns and grievances. It only becomes productive if they act on these and make changes for the better so it's a white elephant in that respect. If they haven't already got a really good grasp of what the fans are concerned about considering all that these past 6 months have offered fans then telling them seems like we're taking the piss out of them to their faces. Bless 'em.
Too little too late I'm afraid. Those at the club have had plenty of time now to get things moving and get everyone together as a unit fighting for one cause so we can move forward. We are STILL all left in the dark though and as confused, annoyed and fragmented as ever. It's so unprofessional and unbusinesslike that TUFC could become the new Hereford. Having said that, I see that local businessmen can join the 'Breakfast Club' at Plainmoor to discuss business. Hopefully they will be discuss the importance of exemplary customer service, focus, communication and valuing and respecting their client base and someone from the TUFC boardroom will be earwigging to get some tips. Hey! Maybe they will be even serving the coffee and croissants?!!
I popped into Tesco on Saturday night and had a walk round the ProAct Stadium to get to Ladbrokes. Tom Jones was performing there that night and the place was heaving. Last year Elton John sang (badly I may add). The day after the wrinkled old welsh crooner had strutted his stuff, Tiny Tempah headlined another gig with loads of well know acts on the bill including Ms Dynamite. They have wrestling and allsorts and we get pig racing and tribute acts. We are the Phoenix Club. All we need now is Jerry the Berry to do a kids fun day and we've got the whole package. Sod all this 'little Torquay' stuff. That attitude will lead us down the same path that leads to Edgar Street. If you don't ask you don't get. We probably won't get but if we can't do better than an ELO tribute band then they perfectly reflect our predicament. Settle for what we can get.
Why settle for what we can get?!! Get out there and sell this club to people, change it's identity and focus, rebrand it, make it dynamic and exciting, make Torquay a destination for away fans, tap into the meathead away followings and offer them packages including tickets for the game and local offers in pubs clubs and shops, beer, programmes, entertainment, incentivise things for people, take advantage of the location, fans LOVE coming to Torquay for the weekend and so why aren't we bending over backwards to help take their money off their hands?
This club needs a drastic and radical shift in direction, leadership and dynamic or it will eventually fold. It is simply unsustainable now to have a business model which is effectively to keep fleecing the fans in the hope that things improve. Eventually the fans will run out of patience or cash (or both) and there is only so much The Strawbs and a few businessmen quaffing earl grey can do then.
Tell them tonight and they will say you are being ridiculously excessively negative and unreasonable. CH has no idea what he is letting himself in for next season. Next season is the most important in the club's history because if he gets it wrong then at least the positive is that you lot won't have to make any more trips to northern shitholes anymore.
Anyway,i've just seen the 'news' on the O/S saying if you renew or buy a season ticket in June then you get three free meals in the restaurant. Now we're being treated like schoolkids whose parents are on the dole!
WOW! I SIMPLY MUST HAVE THE SEASON TICKET NOW!!
See. Amateurism at it's finest. I am fully aware I have been crying out for little schemes and incentives for fans and as Matt rightly highlighted on another thread, the club do something positive and what I have been asking for but still get stick and to a certain extent I agree with him but if we take this offer in isolation.
This is supposed to be the USP for June in selling season tickets. Buy one and you get 3 free meals in the restaurant. What if you're a loner like myself and prefer some chips at half time amongst your own company. To be honest, going into the club restaurant on my own to sit down and take up my free meal doesn't sound like my idea of fun. So for me it's a not an incentive. For many people it won't be either.
Take a step back and read this: THE CLUB ARE OFFERING FANS 3 FREE MEALS IF THEY BUY A SEASON TICKET WHICH COULD BE AS MUCH AS £415 FOR CONFERENCE FOOTBALL.
It's insane. It is really, really embarrassing and presumably this is the most attractive offer that anybody behind the scenes could devise which is really, really scary too. Somebody actually thinks that this offer will help to improve season ticket sales. The offer is so tragically tin pot that it has actually helped me with my closure so thanks.
This is the point I've been making for ages - when we've needed a leader to come out and rally us all round in a time of great despondency we've had nobody but Thea doing her best but failing miserably (not her fault I may add). When we've had fans travelling the length and breadth of the country to watch circa £70k a year Dale Tonge defend like a dragonfly that's just had half of it's appendages cruelly ripped off it by a sicko 8 year old we get the offer of free pint. NOTHING ELSE. These fans went to York for a midweek game. They set off at about midday and didn't get home until probably 4 in the morning. These fans went to Hartlepool for an even longer journey, these fans went to Morecambe and Fleetwood. These fans went to Mansfield on the last day even though we were doomed already and all we get in return are the most expensive ticket prices in the conference, an arrogant director assuming we will all pug the deficit without telling us what the **** hell their role was in this bloody carnage, and I should continue but what's the point.
All we are is a fishing boat damaged at sea, drifting in the dark, just trying to keep afloat with fans as crew members frantically trying to scoop out the incoming water whilst the skippers sit there and decide the next move. Sadly it won't be to muck in, get the boat to shore and get it fixed ready to go again but to assume the crew members won't give up so that they then can sit back and have a backgammon night with guest music from Chaka Demus and Pliers. Errrr sorry, that should have been Chaka Demus and Pliers the tribute act.
Gordon bloody Bennett.
It seems the club has lost interest in it's fans and vice versa. Nearly a month and a half since we were relegated and nothing has happened, started to be addressed or even been talked about. If you think that this exercise will change any of that then good luck to you. Formulaic answers already prepared waiting to answer banal questions no doubt. Any of the more serious, passionate and determined questioners will be ejected under the assumption that they are aggressive troublemakers which makes it handy as they won't then have to answer the question asked of them. This also makes it easy for the media team as the planned 'edited highlights' to go up on the O/S will not have to be bothered with after all because there won't be any.
A Fan's Forum is a superb idea for the club to listen to the fans concerns and grievances. It only becomes productive if they act on these and make changes for the better so it's a white elephant in that respect. If they haven't already got a really good grasp of what the fans are concerned about considering all that these past 6 months have offered fans then telling them seems like we're taking the piss out of them to their faces. Bless 'em.
Too little too late I'm afraid. Those at the club have had plenty of time now to get things moving and get everyone together as a unit fighting for one cause so we can move forward. We are STILL all left in the dark though and as confused, annoyed and fragmented as ever. It's so unprofessional and unbusinesslike that TUFC could become the new Hereford. Having said that, I see that local businessmen can join the 'Breakfast Club' at Plainmoor to discuss business. Hopefully they will be discuss the importance of exemplary customer service, focus, communication and valuing and respecting their client base and someone from the TUFC boardroom will be earwigging to get some tips. Hey! Maybe they will be even serving the coffee and croissants?!!
I popped into Tesco on Saturday night and had a walk round the ProAct Stadium to get to Ladbrokes. Tom Jones was performing there that night and the place was heaving. Last year Elton John sang (badly I may add). The day after the wrinkled old welsh crooner had strutted his stuff, Tiny Tempah headlined another gig with loads of well know acts on the bill including Ms Dynamite. They have wrestling and allsorts and we get pig racing and tribute acts. We are the Phoenix Club. All we need now is Jerry the Berry to do a kids fun day and we've got the whole package. Sod all this 'little Torquay' stuff. That attitude will lead us down the same path that leads to Edgar Street. If you don't ask you don't get. We probably won't get but if we can't do better than an ELO tribute band then they perfectly reflect our predicament. Settle for what we can get.
Why settle for what we can get?!! Get out there and sell this club to people, change it's identity and focus, rebrand it, make it dynamic and exciting, make Torquay a destination for away fans, tap into the meathead away followings and offer them packages including tickets for the game and local offers in pubs clubs and shops, beer, programmes, entertainment, incentivise things for people, take advantage of the location, fans LOVE coming to Torquay for the weekend and so why aren't we bending over backwards to help take their money off their hands?
This club needs a drastic and radical shift in direction, leadership and dynamic or it will eventually fold. It is simply unsustainable now to have a business model which is effectively to keep fleecing the fans in the hope that things improve. Eventually the fans will run out of patience or cash (or both) and there is only so much The Strawbs and a few businessmen quaffing earl grey can do then.
Tell them tonight and they will say you are being ridiculously excessively negative and unreasonable. CH has no idea what he is letting himself in for next season. Next season is the most important in the club's history because if he gets it wrong then at least the positive is that you lot won't have to make any more trips to northern shitholes anymore.
Anyway,i've just seen the 'news' on the O/S saying if you renew or buy a season ticket in June then you get three free meals in the restaurant. Now we're being treated like schoolkids whose parents are on the dole!
WOW! I SIMPLY MUST HAVE THE SEASON TICKET NOW!!
See. Amateurism at it's finest. I am fully aware I have been crying out for little schemes and incentives for fans and as Matt rightly highlighted on another thread, the club do something positive and what I have been asking for but still get stick and to a certain extent I agree with him but if we take this offer in isolation.
This is supposed to be the USP for June in selling season tickets. Buy one and you get 3 free meals in the restaurant. What if you're a loner like myself and prefer some chips at half time amongst your own company. To be honest, going into the club restaurant on my own to sit down and take up my free meal doesn't sound like my idea of fun. So for me it's a not an incentive. For many people it won't be either.
Take a step back and read this: THE CLUB ARE OFFERING FANS 3 FREE MEALS IF THEY BUY A SEASON TICKET WHICH COULD BE AS MUCH AS £415 FOR CONFERENCE FOOTBALL.
It's insane. It is really, really embarrassing and presumably this is the most attractive offer that anybody behind the scenes could devise which is really, really scary too. Somebody actually thinks that this offer will help to improve season ticket sales. The offer is so tragically tin pot that it has actually helped me with my closure so thanks.
This is the point I've been making for ages - when we've needed a leader to come out and rally us all round in a time of great despondency we've had nobody but Thea doing her best but failing miserably (not her fault I may add). When we've had fans travelling the length and breadth of the country to watch circa £70k a year Dale Tonge defend like a dragonfly that's just had half of it's appendages cruelly ripped off it by a sicko 8 year old we get the offer of free pint. NOTHING ELSE. These fans went to York for a midweek game. They set off at about midday and didn't get home until probably 4 in the morning. These fans went to Hartlepool for an even longer journey, these fans went to Morecambe and Fleetwood. These fans went to Mansfield on the last day even though we were doomed already and all we get in return are the most expensive ticket prices in the conference, an arrogant director assuming we will all pug the deficit without telling us what the **** hell their role was in this bloody carnage, and I should continue but what's the point.
All we are is a fishing boat damaged at sea, drifting in the dark, just trying to keep afloat with fans as crew members frantically trying to scoop out the incoming water whilst the skippers sit there and decide the next move. Sadly it won't be to muck in, get the boat to shore and get it fixed ready to go again but to assume the crew members won't give up so that they then can sit back and have a backgammon night with guest music from Chaka Demus and Pliers. Errrr sorry, that should have been Chaka Demus and Pliers the tribute act.
Gordon bloody Bennett.
"Nearly a month and a half since we were relegated and nothing has happened, started to be addressed or even been talked about"
Just because they haven't given us a running commentary doesn't mean Thea et al have been sat on their hands.
Just because they haven't given us a running commentary doesn't mean Thea et al have been sat on their hands.
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