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[hector]

Some of the objections to Bill Phillips are that he has (allegedly) not invested any cash. However , in many clubs the role that he us perhaps filling is a paid role eg a Chief Executive. Perhaps Phillips is performing a paid role for free? I've no idea at all and like Kit_Robin, am still waiting to be enlightened. He may be a buffoon or very unfairly maligned. Who knows? Without anyone actually telling us why, I suspect it is the latter.

[Kernowgull]

I don't think anyone will ever tell us. There a long thread like this a while back which essentially went like this.

Numerous forum members (including myself and hector I believe): "somebody please tell us what Philips has done so we can make an informed decision on his competence"

All the alleged in the know forum members: "he's an idiot, you're all idiots for defending him"

" We're not defending him, we just want to know what he's done"

" You're all idiots for defending him"

and so on and so forth......

[cambgull]

I think, perhaps, that those 'in the know' members of our forum either don't really know anything or don't know anything factual. If they knew something factual, it would be fine to say on a public forum.

Just a thought.

[DTG]

Bill Phillips is a cnut! Anyone who has done business or worked with him will tell you. This man has to be got out of TUFC.

[Kernowgull]

This is exactly what I was talking about. This last post tells us exactly what you think of him, but gives us no examples of what he's done.

[Southampton Gull]

I think, perhaps, that those 'in the know' members of our forum either don't really know anything or don't know anything factual. If they knew something factual, it would be fine to say on a public forum.

Just a thought.

Or perhaps they simply refuse to break confidences that were asked for until their chosen avenues of raising their concerns with the relevant people were exhausted?

There are several members on here who have had dealings with him only to be amazed at how he requested things should proceed. I don't intend for one second to divulge information trusted with me simply to satisfy the curiosity of a few people on a fans forum. If those few people want to put their faith in one of the "nice chaps" and ignore the walkout by 3 very competent board members then so be it. Rowe and the Boyces were too forward thinking for the majority of the board and were frustrated many times when trying to put across some very good ideas. Time will tell if we're better off without them, I believe the opposite will become very clear.

[hector]

Or perhaps they simply refuse to break confidences that were asked for until their chosen avenues of raising their concerns with the relevant people were exhausted?

There are several members on here who have had dealings with him only to be amazed at how he requested things should proceed. I don't intend for one second to divulge information trusted with me simply to satisfy the curiosity of a few people on a fans forum. If those few people want to put their faith in one of the "nice chaps" and ignore the walkout by 3 very competent board members then so be it. Rowe and the Boyces were too forward thinking for the majority of the board and were frustrated many times when trying to put across some very good ideas. Time will tell if we're better off without them, I believe the opposite will become very clear.

So more hearsay, basically.

[Southampton Gull]

I'm sure you'd wish it was so but no, I've seen the evidence with my own eyes. You stay blinkered and ignorant all you like, you do it so well

[Richinns]

I'm sure you'd wish it was so but no, I've seen the evidence with my own eyes. You stay blinkered and ignorant all you like, you do it so well

Very easy to belittle but I (like many) don't really know the reasons behind Phillips and the worrying future predicted under his guidance. I am not for one minute questioning the values held about the guy (as many share it) but I don't know the reasons behind them and until someone shares that information it is likely I never will.

It is very frustrating being outside of the group but posts like this who claim we (the group who are not party to the inside knowledge) are blinkered and ignorant is beyond smug in my opinion and only adds to the frustration felt amongst supporters who know they need to worry - but are not really sure of the reasons why.

[Southampton Gull]

Rich, I know only what I have seen for myself. The fact that the opinion I have formed is also shared by several others doesn't mean I know what they know or that they know what I know. As far as I'm aware there is no group on either side as you suggest but merely a number of people who have first hand knowledge of the actions of individuals who look out for themselves first and the club second and those that don't. The point is that you form your own opinion, if and when people decide to make their experiences known is up to them. I don't care if a few faceless people on a fans forum choose to disbelieve me, find out for yourself, do some digging yourself. My post was very obviously targetted at one individual and certainly not someone as open minded as you are. It's not like I would ever even see certain things if I wasn't an Admin on here, I've never pretended otherwise, if it wasn't for that fact alone I would be just as much in the dark as you.

[cambgull]

Or perhaps they simply refuse to break confidences that were asked for until their chosen avenues of raising their concerns with the relevant people were exhausted?

That's fine, you have a contact either within the club or close to it that shares information with you. No problem with that and I understand why you would want to keep those confidences unbroken. But wait...

I don't care if a few faceless people on a fans forum choose to disbelieve me, find out for yourself, do some digging yourself.

Find out where? I read all the articles about us and try to keep an eye out for quotations, but still can't see anything regarding Philips. Even a google search brings up nothing to back up your argument. It's almost as if you'd have to have someone either close to or within the club to get this information. Some help would be greatly appreciated, at least to point us in the direction of some publicly known information which could better help us make a judgement on the man.

There are several members on here who have had dealings with him only to be amazed at how he requested things should proceed. I don't intend for one second to divulge information trusted with me simply to satisfy the curiosity of a few people on a fans forum.

This suggests to me that you, personally, have never had any dealings with him. So all of your information is second hand, correct? I have plenty of people telling me there's a deity in the sky who lives on a cloud and watches over me when I masturbate, still doesn't mean he exists.

Rich, I know only what I have seen for myself.

Wait, you've seen it for yourself, or you've seen what someone else's opinion? There's a big difference here.

If those few people want to put their faith in one of the "nice chaps" and ignore the walkout by 3 very competent board members then so be it. Rowe and the Boyces were too forward thinking for the majority of the board and were frustrated many times when trying to put across some very good ideas. Time will tell if we're better off without them, I believe the opposite will become very clear.

Oh trust me, I think we're all pretty worried about the reasoning and the timing behind their departures. We're just, yet again, in the dark over more goings on within the club.

I'm sure you are completely correct in your assertions, SG. I for one am fully a believer of 'there's no smoke without fire'. The problem, for me, is the way that you preach your opinion. It usually tends to begin with a semi-aggressive stance, attacking those who don't believe you. Then follows a very smug section where you proclaim all about your knowledge (which by the seems of it, is second hand) and come across as basically, a bit of a dick. And then comes in the money shot with the insinuation that anyone who doesn't believe you must be either the Village idiot or have severe mental problems. That seems to be about the way it goes.

Now come on, stop being an arse and throw us a frigging bone here, would ya?!

[Southampton Gull]

Hardly, but I can live with that................

[hector]

That's fine, you have a contact either within the club or close to it that shares information with you. No problem with that and I understand why you would want to keep those confidences unbroken. But wait...
Find out where? I read all the articles about us and try to keep an eye out for quotations, but still can't see anything regarding Philips. Even a google search brings up nothing to back up your argument. It's almost as if you'd have to have someone either close to or within the club to get this information. Some help would be greatly appreciated, at least to point us in the direction of some publicly known information which could better help us make a judgement on the man.
This suggests to me that you, personally, have never had any dealings with him. So all of your information is second hand, correct? I have plenty of people telling me there's a deity in the sky who lives on a cloud and watches over me when I masturbate, still doesn't mean he exists.
Wait, you've seen it for yourself, or you've seen what someone else's opinion? There's a big difference here.
Oh trust me, I think we're all pretty worried about the reasoning and the timing behind their departures. We're just, yet again, in the dark over more goings on within the club.

I'm sure you are completely correct in your assertions, SG. I for one am fully a believer of 'there's no smoke without fire'. The problem, for me, is the way that you preach your opinion. It usually tends to begin with a semi-aggressive stance, attacking those who don't believe you. Then follows a very smug section where you proclaim all about your knowledge (which by the seems of it, is second hand) and come across as basically, a bit of a dick. And then comes in the money shot with the insinuation that anyone who doesn't believe you must be either the Village idiot or have severe mental problems. That seems to be about the way it goes.

Now come on, stop being an arse and throw us a frigging bone here, would ya?!

Well put. I think there are one or two, Matt is another, who think they know more than they do and appear to revel in the grandiose of the authority they think this 'knowledge' gives them. But essentially, it is just rumour and myth. It may be rumour with some basis to it but is probably the same rumour and myth that said we were about to go into administration as soon as last season ended. In other words - utter shite.

It is not that anyone is burying their head in the sand, more that access to any information that supports a certain point of view appears to be non-existent.

[PhilGull]

Without any evidence I find it difficult to have a go at a guy I know nothing about. Especially when as far as I am aware he is a board member who has not invested any money (and therefore isn't working to safeguard an investment) and he isn't taking a wage (so isn't working it as a 'normal job'). He is simply a guy (I presume fan) who is doing his best to help the club with the only return being the future health of the club.
Now it may be the case that his best is not good enough but to be constantly berated by other forum members for not blindly following their point of view is getting rather tiresome.

[Southampton Gull]

Blind leading the blind ..........