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EU membership: yes or no..??

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Gullscorer wrote:EU membership: yes or no..??

A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ uttered merely to please, or worse, to avoid trouble.
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If the referendum was today, with the knowledge I have, I would vote to remain a member of the European Union. I do however, remain open minded and will wait to see what changes Cameron is going to get before making a decision.
At this point in time I'm more worried about losing the European Convention on Human Rights not a referendum in two years time.
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The European Convention on Human Rights (along with the European Court of Justice) comes from a treaty of member states of the Council of Europe, which is not connected with the EU. So it's a separate issue.

I want out of the EU on principal, regardless of Cameron's 'negotiations' ruse. It's a global economy, and the EU is a millstone round our neck.
I want our country to be able to trade freely globally, decide its own international agreements, make its own laws, control its own destiny.

Here's another example of EUSSR lunacy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mailonline
And: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06 ... 1434381631

And by the way: http://www.aei.org/publication/aauw-got ... o-pay-gap/
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Gullscorer wrote:The European Convention on Human Rights (along with the European Court of Justice) comes from a treaty of member states of the Council of Europe, which is not connected with the EU. So it's a separate issue.

I want out of the EU on principal, regardless of Cameron's 'negotiations' ruse. It's a global economy, and the EU is a millstone round our neck.
I want our country to be able to trade freely globally, decide its own international agreements, make its own laws, control its own destiny.

Here's another example of EUSSR lunacy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mailonline
And: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06 ... 1434381631

And by the way: http://www.aei.org/publication/aauw-got ... o-pay-gap/
I'm aware of that and am deeply concerned with Cameron's wish to remove us from it.
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MUST READ this (if you have the time and the stomach for it) on the VAWG 2015 report from the Crown Prosecution Service:
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The Scottish Nationalist Party got 2.5 million votes, and 65 MPs.
J4MB (Justice for Men and Boys) got... er... fewer votes than either UKIP or SNP, and only one fewer MPs than UKIP. Result!
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Any thoughts on the new Labour leader?

Personally I think it's good that there is a clear choice now, and I do like the sound of some of what Jeremy Corbyn has to say.
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Scott Brehaut wrote:Any thoughts on the new Labour leader?

Personally I think it's good that there is a clear choice now, and I do like the sound of some of what Jeremy Corbyn has to say.
Interesting times ahead.
I agree, some distinction between the reds and blues can only be good for our democracy. Finally Labour can forget about the 26% of the electorate that voted Tory and chase the 74% that didn't.
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With Jeremy Corbyn as leader, Labour will continue our membership with the EU dictatorship. So it's a NO from me.
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I'm not so sure about that. Corbyn may have kept a low(ish) profile on the EU issue as a mere MP in the face of the powerful pro-EU lobby, but he appears to be a Euro-sceptic at heart. He voted against the EU in the referendum in the 1970s, and he may well support an exit from the EU this time around. Now he is Labour leader, come the referendum he will have to stick his head above the parapet. It looks as if Cameron's 'negotiations' are simply a ruse to enable him to ride two horses at the same time, and thereby claim the moral high ground in order to retain power. The question is, will Corbyn have the guts to oppose the strident pro-EU fanatics and publicly align himself with the views of Nigel Farage?

I believe Corbyn to be a man of principle, and not a career politician who is willing to sacrifice his principles for personal advantage, so it's good to see him win through. This particular quality is what drew a large number of supporters back to the party, people who were put off by the previous bland uniformity of politicians left, right and centre, and is what stirred most of the grass roots membership to vote for him.

However, we must wait to see if his idealism is tempered with the wisdom to recognise that not everything is possible, that sometimes compromise is the way forward, but that adhering to the prevailing ethos of political correctness in order to achieve his goals may lead to the worst of all possible worlds.

He came into the leadership election as a last minute outsider and won. It remains to be seen if he now has what it takes to rise above the general squabble and rabble of Westminster, and become what this country has not seen for many years: a statesman. For any politician, whatever his political background, to achieve that in this day and age would be a pleasant surprise.
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