The European Union: We're out...!!!

[Colorado Gull]

https://leave.eu/en/local-groups/group/leaveeu-torbay

[Gullscorer]

Here's but one example of the anti-democratic nature of the EU:

In 2012 the EU agency EIGE (European Institute for Gender Equality) created a network of approved NGOs that work with men on gender equality issues. The feminist team behind the project went through an extensive process of defining how men should (or shouldn’t) be allowed to engage in gender equality work across Europe (including the UK).

The report promotes pro-feminist work involving men and feminist gender equality policies across Europe and rejects non-feminist approaches and theories that highlight discrimination against men, such as anti-feminist, men’s rights and fathers’ rights approaches, and any which simply try to address issues facing men and boys.

At the same time, the European Institute of Gender Equality (EIGE) compiled a database of approved men’s organisations across Europe who were considered to be suitable for inclusion in gender equality work. Any organisation or individual considered “to have rejected the study’s understanding of gender equality” (such as those dealing with issues which adversely affect men and boys: suicides, workplace deaths, homelessness, educational disadvantages, anti-male discrimination, etc.) was excluded.

Whilst all should be working together for gender equality, those representing the male half of the population from a non-feminist viewpoint are excluded. And therein lies not only the extreme, exclusive, ideological fundamentalism of feminism writ large across publicly-funded gender political thinking in Europe, but the fascist totalitarian tendencies of the EU itself.

[Glostergull]

It will be interesting to see how the debate plays out in the South West. I'm wondering how the outies are planning to fix the massive blackhole that would be left by the billions of pounds in subsidy received by fishermen, farmers, pastie makers et al disappearing...

I would imagine us Outies would fix this supposed black hole by using the money we originally paid into the EU in the first place and then have change left over .
We pay far more into Europe than we get from europe. so to suggest all this would lose is ridiculous. they would just get it from a different source. assuming they lobbied for it cos if they don't then the government will spend it on moats and bird houses.

[Gullscorer]

The notion that a country of any size, but particularly one of the size of Britain, the fifth largest economy in the world, cannot perfectly well order its own affairs and survive superbly well as an independent trading nation is absurd. Yet how often do you hear pro-EU people say, 'we would struggle on our own'? In truth, leaving the EU will make no practical difference to any business that currently trades within the EU. Why? First, because it would not be in the interests of EU businesses not to continue trading with the UK. Secondly, a good business trades effectively by offering goods and services at attractive prices that people want to buy, NOT because it's a member of a club.

Added in 8 minutes 40 seconds:
Why our NHS faces a £3 billion deficit: Professor Angus Dalgleish, principal of the Cancer Vaccine Institute, says the NHS is “on its knees” thanks to migrants from the European Union (EU) taking advantage of free movement rules. Cancer treatment can cost up to £200,000 for the UK’s National Health Service, and under Brussels law Britain must offer it to all EU nationals. NHS Trusts were not prepared for the millions of EU migrants who have poured into Britain because the Government estimate was nowhere near the reality.
GP services are collapsing under the huge number of people they are having to treat and this has led to less than 20 per cent of students wanting to become GPs. Britain is attracting thousands of health tourists from across the EU who cannot get certain drugs or treatments in their home country so come to Britain and demand them as EU citizens. Cancer treatment can cost £200,000 a year per patient and while we remain in the EU, Britain has to offer treatment for any EU citizen who comes here to avoid 'discrimination'.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02 ... pecialist/

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Why UK farmers struggle, and why UK food is so expensive:
http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-029-th ... ive-in-uk/

[Colorado Gull]

China sold around €300 billion to the EU last year, without being a member. The USA sold around €200 billion to the EU last year, without being a member. Funnily enough, Britain will be able to trade with the EU, without being a member! Anyone can access the European market!

[Jerry]

Interesting piece on the BBC website yesterday about the effects EU membership has had on different parts of the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt ... d68fd53f87

[Gullscorer]

Interesting piece here about BBC bias: http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/davi ... st-brexit/

[Gullscorer]

School calls police because boy researched UKIP website: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/647539 ... lled-websi

Pro-EUSSR Marxist-feminists have for some years controlled our education system and indoctrinated our kids, as evidenced by a recent poll reported in the Independent in which a large majority of children (I believe it was 78%) voted to remain in the EU.

Subtle BBC bias: according to the Beeb, refugees are 'migrants', the European Union is 'Europe', to be pro-Israeli is to be impartial, and anti-feminism equals misogyny.

And this: http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/ryan ... ck-brexit/

Pointless to complain: http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/davi ... t-the-bbc/

[Gullscorer]

Farage speech here:

If anyone comes across speeches by other major figures, please post.

[happytorq]

It's basically scare tactics, some of which you'll see on their website: http://www.strongerin.co.uk/ , and which I'm sure will be fully debated over the months ahead.

That seems slightly disingenuous, doesn't it? The campaign on either side will probably focus on 'scare tactics'. "If we stay in Europe the Germans and the French will be able to enact rules that affect you without any sort of democratic process!"

I mean, I don't particularly have a horse in this any more, but to suggest only one side is going to use fear as a tactic is unfair.

[Gullscorer]

Happytorq, when I posted that, the only communication I had received was from the 'Stronger-In' campaign, and that remains the case - I have received nothing through my letterbox as yet from the 'out' campaigners. So I was only able to comment on the 'Stronger-In' leaflet. When I receive communications from the 'out' campaigners I will be able to comment on them. However, there have been speeches and articles from both sides on the internet and in the media, and to be honest practically all the scare tactics I have seen and heard thus far have come from the pro-EU people; the Brexit campaigners have been quite positive by comparison. But, I hear you thinking, I would say that, wouldn't I..??

[Alpine Joe]

That seems slightly disingenuous, doesn't it? The campaign on either side will probably focus on 'scare tactics'.

It's definitely true that neither side has a complete monopoly on 'scare tactics', but I think it's generally accepted that it's a ploy more suited to one side of the argument than the other.

If you just think back a short while to 2014 and the Scottish independence referendum, one side deployed 'Project Fear' which ultimately won the day,whereas the Scots Nats had to campaign by portraying the positives of an independent Scotland. Attempting to frighten people by telling them scare stories about being ruled by Westminster just wouldn't work; the Scots had been ruled by Westminster for centuries and therefore knew what it was like, and pretty much what to expect. The Government meanwhile immediately turn to scare tactics: ' You'll all lose your jobs', 'the big companies will move out of Scotland', they got the Treasury to announce that the Scots may no longer be allowed to use the £, and you start a scare story that Quaker Oats may refuse to trade with an Independent Scotland, putting porridge in jeopardy.

Just as I don't expect Nico to change a winning team for Saturday, the British Government will again pin it's hopes on 'Project Fear' and hope it will deliver a winning result for them as it did in the Scottish Referendum.

The analysts study this in detail, and their surveys will be showing where the emphasis shoud be directed. The problem for the 'Remain' side is that the option of campaigning on a positive platform of championing what a good deal Cameron got for us from his negotiations is a hopeless non starter. The few paltry concessions that Cameron extracted from the E.U have been widely ridiculed, and Remainers have already given up any idea of being able to run a positive campaign based on them. They've no option but to go big on 'Project Fear', as they've really nothing else that will work as effectively. Plus it can deliver results, particulary with female voters. The data clearly shows that even though a majority of Scottish males voted for independence, 'Project Fear' worked it's magic on the ladies sufficiently well to tip the balance in favour of keeping Scotland in the Union.

Farage, Boris & Co can attempt to scare us with tales of gangs of Romanian pickpockets, about overcrowded schools where many of the kids have little grasp of English, about needing to concrete over the country to build enough houses for the burgeoning population, about the undemocratic nature of European rule or the £50 million a day it costs us, about the lack of control over our borders, or the reams of Brussels red tape that restricts our businesses, but the electorate won't bat an eyelid because they already know it...we've been watching it develop into the current state since the 1970's. Just like the Scots Nats, the leavers have to instead paint a bright optimistic future for us....let us know that happiness can be found if we strike out independently.

The campaign tactics will be interesting , and Gullscorer will no doubt keep us appraised regarding the literature that comes through his letterbox.


One thing we can be sure of, and that's we ain't see nuthin yet. In the last month or so the full range of weaponry will be utilised, Obama will be wheeled in to advise us to vote remain, the BBC will abandon any pretext of being neutral, and the full 'shock and awe' arsenal will be unleashed upon the heads of Brexit and it's supporters

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -defeated/

I'm expecting this Referendum campaign to reveal a whole new level of dirty tricks for British politicians, as well as demonstrating the incredible opinion swaying power of the BBC. Only another 4 months, and with Gullscorer talking us through it each step of the way....it should be fun

[Gullscorer]

Thanks for that Joe. I actually started this thread in the hope that a decent number of posters would contribute a variety of opinions to the debate over the coming weeks and, in view of my failing health, that remains my hope, though I shall continue to post what I can.

As for scare tactics, the EU itself scares me! I'm shit scared of living in a country which will eventually completely lose its independence as part of the coming EUSSR, scared not so much for myself but for the poor gullible misguided souls who will have voted to remain. Such a vote will be the signal for me to move away and spend my dying days in a tropical paradise, alternating between a palm-fringed beach, a genuine curry house, and a genial toddy shop.

Come to think of it, I might do that anyway!

[Fantasia]

Kate Hooey (Lab), the most sensible member of the House of Commons, is for Brexit.
That is good enough for me.

[Gullscorer]

On that 'Britain Stronger in Europe' newsletter: http://www.steven4brexit.uk/bses-lies.html
(Note that even the title is misleading and intended to confuse: they mean the EU, not Europe).