Gary Owers

[Rjc70]

Alan Richardson’s point was made regarding those fixtures against bottom sides as they occurred when we did not have a Manager and not as a stick to beat Nicholson as brucie has chosen to interpret it. He was highlighting the terrible state of affairs of sacking someone and taking forever to get an appointment in. His blame was squarely laid at Harrop for that shambles.

[merse btpir]

Alan Richardson’s point was made regarding those fixtures against bottom sides as they occurred when we did not have a Manager and not as a stick to beat Nicholson as brucie has chosen to interpret it. He was highlighting the terrible state of affairs of sacking someone and taking forever to get an appointment in. His blame was squarely laid at Harrop for that shambles.

Tranmere Rovers at home, Aldershot Town away, Gateshead away and Boreham Wood at home was that schcedule; it was a tough one and the side needed to be prepared properly.....it wasn't was it!

Once a manager is dispensed with it is difficult for the players, especially the ones he has just brought in; there they are down in the arse end of the country some of them having moved their families down there and now they find that the man they conned into believing they would deliver the goods is gone and about to be replaced more than likely by someone who'll find them out for what they are....no marks who've just got their manager the sack and more than likely he's going to come in and do them over just as they deserve.

With that scenario in mind you need a decision maker who can smell the coffee and knows what he is doing. Harrop was not, and never will be that man; his forte is youth football and he must regret giving that up to do what he is doing now. If he doesn't; then I certainly do because he has made an almighty mess of things!

[MellowYellow]

BBC SPORT ARTICLE:

Gary Owers: Torquay United fans question manager's future after relegation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43864143

[tomogull]

Personally I would rather sack Harrop. The fat **** couldn't even be arsed to go to Hartlepool. Disgraceful.

Yes, you're right. If Geoff Harrop had any self respect, he would tender his resignation. He should admit to himself that he is not up to the job. Kuhl surely has to go. We cannot afford the 'luxury' of a coach in NLS. Surely a player-coach should be appointed?

[SuperNickyWroe]

Yes, you're right. If Geoff Harrop had any self respect, he would tender his resignation. He should admit to himself that he is not up to the job. Kuhl surely has to go. We cannot afford the 'luxury' of a coach in NLS. Surely a player-coach should be appointed?

Salad dodger wont be going anywhere.
As for Owers, the facts speak for themselves -
He's brought in a (more than) full squad of players, most of which were sh1t and - more importantly - has failed in his brief to keep TUFC in the National League.
All three should go, if you look at other teams in similar positions to ourselves - the Cheating Dons have fired their manager and Jack Lester has resigned from Chesterfield. That says it all.
Fat boy and the two twerps get rewarded for failure. F*cking unbelievable.

[Launceston Gull]

Playing devil`s advocate guys, say for the sake of argument Owers, Kuhl and Harrop do the decent thing and walk or are shown the door, who does that leave to interview and recruit replacements, Osborne , the bloke who knows nothing about football. Where would that leave us. We could see the former manager of the local Sainsbury in charge of the team. I cant see these guys going anywhere.

[Gloomy Gull]

Playing devil`s advocate guys, say for the sake of argument Owers, Kuhl and Harrop do the decent thing and walk or are shown the door, who does that leave to interview and recruit replacements, Osborne , the bloke who knows nothing about football. Where would that leave us. We could see the former manager of the local Sainsbury in charge of the team. I cant see these guys going anywhere.

Someone on one these threads said that Owers was Osborne's choice anyway, so would it matter who took the interviews if Osborne decides?

[MellowYellow]

Playing devil`s advocate guys, say for the sake of argument Owers, Kuhl and Harrop do the decent thing and walk or are shown the door, who does that leave to interview and recruit replacements, Osborne , the bloke who knows nothing about football. Where would that leave us. We could see the former manager of the local Sainsbury in charge of the team. I cant see these guys going anywhere.

Someone on one of the forums informed that Dave Caldwell offered Clarke Osborne his services in an advisor capacity last November for free as he could see the 'writing on the wall' and thought if would help Osborne and the club to have some impartial advice. Osborne apparently did not even respond. I think you will find there are plenty of ex-Torquay pro's who would offer their services to help find the right management team and players if Osborne was accepting - but he is not! That should tell you something.

[Southampton Gull]

Alan Richardson’s point was made regarding those fixtures against bottom sides as they occurred when we did not have a Manager and not as a stick to beat Nicholson as brucie has chosen to interpret it. He was highlighting the terrible state of affairs of sacking someone and taking forever to get an appointment in. His blame was squarely laid at Harrop for that shambles.

You should know by now that brucie has a unique way of interpreting just about anything in order to beat on the previous manager. Forget the fact that he wasn't in charge for matches against any of the teams he mentioned, it was definitely the fault of Nicholson

[Southampton Gull]

Once a manager is dispensed with it is difficult for the players, especially the ones he has just brought in; there they are down in the arse end of the country some of them having moved their families down there and now they find that the man they conned into believing they would deliver the goods is gone and about to be replaced more than likely by someone who'll find them out for what they are....no marks who've just got their manager the sack and more than likely he's going to come in and do them over just as they deserve!

Interesting that the incoming manager preferred to use most of the players you like to castigate and even signed Reid despite everyone else seeing his shortcomings. Owers is not and never was as good as you made him out to be so you continue to berate the former manager who only had FOUR games in charge this season in order to cover up your own failings in not recognising a donkey when presented with one.

Even you have to concede that Owers was a total mistake from the start. He's out of his depth and always was. As Jerry rightly points out, Nicholson was responsible for top of the table form at the end of each season and actually managed to keep us up twice on the trot with significantly less resources than Owers had. Keep arguing all you like but the fact is you got behind Owers from the start and he let you down, the guy is a fraud of a manager.

[SatNav]

Am I the only person that would actually be more anxious if Owers and Kuhl leave now. There is something to be said for stability and familiarity. Who the fcuk would want to be Manager of Torquay right now. Recruitment will be more important than ever in the close season; I can’t see the likes of Tully having the contacts that the current management duo have. At least Owers knows what we need and would have a head start over a new manager. Please don’t shoot me down. It’s just another opinion....

[Southampton Gull]

I'm resigned to the fact that Owers is staying put but your point is worth considering as you are probably right. I personally just don't see Owers as the man to take us anywhere but downwards.

[Yorkieandy]

Having stability is fine IF you have the right man for the job in the first place. Nobody knows if Owers is the right man or not. All we've got to go on is his 6 months in charge which gives you a strong indication that he isn't and sticking with him could be further damaging although again, it's not definitive. It's another gamble and Torquay like gambles. Thing is like me and my footy bets, they never emerge as the winners.

You'll know for definite at the end of the season anyway but when you have evidence to suggest he's not up to the job and still keep him on then you get what you get.

[Plainmoor78]

I think the argument for stability is ok if your talking about a manager who can keep his team upper half to mid table on a regular basis in the manner that Bromley seen to manage. But when an unproven manager at this level comes in and the first thing he does is takes the team down, then you have to ask yourself is this ever going to work.

[Southampton Gull]

Especially after his record at FGR was similar to Nicholsons at TUFC and then his only other stint saw him prove to be nothing special at NLS level with Bath City.