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Southampton Gull wrote:BG, to be fair, Gashead1979 has copied over some of the replies so it kind of conflicts with your assessment somewhat.

Like I said previously, Dave (forevetufc) is as honest as they come, I agree with most of what he says, some of the comments relayed by Gashead1979 show a different story to the oe yuou would have us believe.

Dave

Gashead1979 did copy over some of the replies, but what has been copied doesn't do them justice.

If you read the thread on the forum, you can clearly see that there was no malice in the comments whasoever.

I agree, I admire what Forever has to say, that is why I gave him the link to that forum in the first place, but some of what he wrote did sound like sour grapes, Some of the points he made were valid and interesting also.

But no Gashead shot him down.

NickGull wrote: And how do you know that what Dave wrote is garbage, exactly?

We've had 4 years of experience with PB; you've had 4 weeks.

As has been said by other Gulls on here, what Dave has said is true, and I hope you all find the home truths about Buckle sooner rather than later.

Because it is not something we dont already know.

We have had many managers(infact most) since my time following Rovers that have done the same thing as what you claim Paul Buckle has done, Gerry Francis and Ian Holloway to name two, and they went on to manage in the top flight.

Some of what Forever wrote were indeed interesting, valid points, but most of it did just sound like sour grapes.

I am sure we will find out, whether we agree with Forever's asessment on Buckle. We dont think he is some sort of special one, which you seem to think we do.

It will sound like sour grapes, BUT, that post did include FACTS as well as opinion. I'm not surprised by some of the replies, I'd expect nothing less to be honest, there will always be rival fans ready to jump at the opportunity to dispute what others say.

My own opinion is that you guys think you've signed a great manager, I say you've signed someone who thinks he's a great manager but has made many mistakes (like a lot of others, granted) but he would never admit to them and also takes a long time to rectify them. Players will get played out of position, some of them are very strange indeed, Hargreaves at centre-half anyone?

I've nothing against Rovers or their fans at all, I hope they do well, but I think you'll do it with the next manager AFTER Buckle, he won't get away with things at your Club that he was allowed to whilst here. He got total support from our Board, probably enjoyed the strongest backroom staff of any of our previous managers and our Board over-extended the budget to get us out of the BSP. I'm not bitter about him going, I never felt he was a good manager either and as a personality, he's a prize tw*t. His arrogance is his strength but will also be his downfall, I can see that coming to fruition pretty soon.

Southampton Gull wrote:It will sound like sour grapes, BUT, that post did include FACTS as well as opinion. I'm not surprised by some of the replies, I'd expect nothing less to be honest, there will always be rival fans ready to jump at the opportunity to dispute what others say.

My own opinion is that you guys think you've signed a great manager, I say you've signed someone who thinks he's a great manager but has made many mistakes (like a lot of others, granted) but he would never admit to them and also takes a long time to rectify them. Players will get played out of position, some of them are very strange indeed, Hargreaves at centre-half anyone?

I've nothing against Rovers or their fans at all, I hope they do well, but I think you'll do it with the next manager AFTER Buckle, he won't get away with things at your Club that he was allowed to whilst here. He got total support from our Board, probably enjoyed the strongest backroom staff of any of our previous managers and our Board over-extended the budget to get us out of the BSP. I'm not bitter about him going, I never felt he was a good manager either and as a personality, he's a prize tw*t. His arrogance is his strength but will also be his downfall, I can see that coming to fruition pretty soon.

Dave

I dont think any of us think we have now got an amazing manager, I think we do believe we have got a young, up and coming manager though.

We dont expect instant success, but what we do expect is to see entertaining football, with players who fight for the shirt, which is something we have not witnessed for a decade since Ian Holloway left.

Paul Buckle may have made mistakes, but like I said we have had countless managers who have made the same very mistakes and dont like to take the blame for them. Ian Holloway was the biggest culprit of that. He played lots of players out of position. Jamie Cureton in right midfield? and the great wing wizard Mark "Wally" Walters at right back???? It doesn't always mean they are poor managers. We would love Olly back at The Mem, and hopefully he will. I think that is the way for lower league managers, that is why they are here. Even the greatest managers make poor decisions.

Our main goal is to get out of this god awful didvision as soon as possible, Paul Buckle nearly made it out of it with you, on a lesser budget, If he can go one further with us on a bigger budget then that is what we appointed him for.

Whether Paul Buckle is the man to take us any further is another debate.

To be fair I couldn't care less what a managers personality is like, and whether he is an arrogant tw*t, as long as performances on the pitch improve.

Hopefully they will.

Fair enough I guess. I'll still be very interested to know what you guys think in say 12 months time?

Gashead1979 wrote:Big fail with that post on our alternative forum.....

http://z15.invisionfree.com/bristolrove ... opic=17525

Forever has that post spot on.

All I seem to be doing lately is repairing peoples broken quotes.

Just a tip, scroll down when quoting and enter your reply after the [/quote]

At last a thread all of my very own, i feel like i have won an award and should have some thank you speech ready,alas was not expecting this

I would say the nature of the 21 replies would suggest anything but a fail,sometimes in life you have a plan"A",and sometimes it even works.

here is a link for those who wish to read.http://z15.invisionfree.com/bristolrove ... opic=17525" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ,sorry just realised the link is above.

cambgull wrote:How long does it take for the mods to let me post?!

It took about 3 days for them to give me full account permission,well worth the wait.

Short profile of forevertufc :



Sees it as it is from his viewpoint while listening to others seeing it from a different viewpoint.

Makes speeling mustakes and gammar earors but the meaning of the post comes across regardless.

Always open and friendly to meet posters of Torquay Fans.com in Boots & Laces before and after a game.

A good father, a credit to his footballer son and it's always a pleasure to meet up with both before and after a game.

BritishGAS wrote: No Gashead has taken issue with Forever's post whatsoever.

If he would of posted that on our other forum, then he would have got some pelters because that is full of kids loving the wind up.

I was the one who gave him the link to post on that forum, but what he wrote is garbage really and got the responses it deserved, All tongue firmly in cheek. He was made welcome and is welcome to come back whenever he likes.

It just sounded like sour grapes. We dont think Paul Buckle is the messiah, he is a lower league football manager, all the mistakes he listed that Paul Buckle made, are what lower league managers in general make, Ian Holloway made the very same mistakes you claim Paul Buckle made, yet he has learnt from them and became a Premier League manager.

All the responses bar 1 or 2 were very complimentary about Torquay United, no Gashead had anything bad to say about your club, A big difference to what you have had to say about us.

That forum is fantastic for debate.

deary me. get your head out of your backside, at least long enough to take a breath would ya ??

we've seen the replies, so stop with all this "we do everything better than you" attitude. you've got arseholes on your site, we have them here, and occasionally they meet in the middle. we're not perfect, but neither are you (rovers fans).

no one is asking you to agree with everything, by all means put your points across, but try and open your mind/eyes/ears occasionally.

you seem hell bent on starting an arguement at any given opportunity. are you my wife in disguise ??

regiment wrote: deary me. get your head out of your backside, at least long enough to take a breath would ya ??

we've seen the replies, so stop with all this "we do everything better than you" attitude. you've got arseholes on your site, we have them here, and occasionally they meet in the middle. we're not perfect, but neither are you (rovers fans).

no one is asking you to agree with everything, by all means put your points across, but try and open your mind/eyes/ears occasionally.

you seem hell bent on starting an arguement at any given opportunity. are you my wife in disguise ??

What?

Is this for real?

Brilliant

Trojan 67 wrote:Short profile of forevertufc :



Sees it as it is from his viewpoint while listening to others seeing it from a different viewpoint.

Makes speeling mustakes and gammar earors but the meaning of the post comes across regardless.

Always open and friendly to meet posters of Torquay Fans.com in Boots & Laces before and after a game.

A good father, a credit to his footballer son and it's always a pleasure to meet up with both before and after a game.

Many thanks Troj,and to all,went on there for a reason,job done,had a feeling there would be no queue to give me sloppy kisses,and have feeling there not going to get the vas out for me,any time soon.

Rovers fans make me .

Trojan 67 wrote:Short profile of forevertufc :



Sees it as it is from his viewpoint while listening to others seeing it from a different viewpoint.

Makes speeling mustakes and gammar earors but the meaning of the post comes across regardless.

Always open and friendly to meet posters of Torquay Fans.com in Boots & Laces before and after a game.

A good father, a credit to his footballer son and it's always a pleasure to meet up with both before and after a game.

agree trojan.

but he cant make tea............ 8/