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usagullmichigan wrote:what do people think about LFC's reaction

Outrageous - he has been proven guilty so supporting him in such a visual way is supporting the behaviour he has been found guilty of. He has admitted to using a racist term so the only defence he can have is cultural differences. This is not enough - he has been here long enough to know otherwise.

LFC really should know better - I wonder what their black fans and players made of it?

Agreed there is no place for rasicm, however if a black player called a white player a dirty honkey ####, no one would bad an eyelid would they, heat of the moment stuff..man up and move on.

forevertufc wrote:Agreed there is no place for rasicm, however if a black player called a white player a dirty honkey ####, no one would bad an eyelid would they, heat of the moment stuff..man up and move on.

In an ideal world maybe - but you cannot just wash away so many years of horrific prejudice and racism that easily. It is meant as a derogatory term and is used to infer lesser standing and lesser worth. It’s far too delicate and sensitive to wash away with a hand shake and needs to be treated the way the FA are going about doing so.

Firstly, I have my doubts this would have flared up anywhere near as much if it hadn't been Patrice Evra as the recipient. Evra does have previous, if you can remember the Chelsea groundsman incident a few years back. He got his way then, and he's got it now. I find it incredible to see the FA have handed out a large ban like this on the word of Evra - nobody else heard the apparent insult, not even any of Evra's teammates. The fact it also took so long before handing the ban out suggests their was a little bit of doubt around it all, in the FA. There is no video evidence of Suarez calling him whatever he called him, which I've been told the word was 'Negrito'. Whether that's true or not, only he knows. However, if this was the word used, then there is no straight translation to English, so we have no way of telling if it was intended to be hurtful or not.

I read an article on the BBC which I found rather interesting, highlighting the difference in the cultures within the game, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16262537.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The bit about the Uruguayian internationals having such nicknames for each other is a big one. Back to Evra, I was also told that his nickname within the Man Utd camp is 'Negrito', which, if true, makes this whole thing a farce. The fact that Suarez could easily have reported Evra for insulting him in Spanish, but didn't hear it, gives him a bit of credit.

As Richinns points out, the cultural differences around the World are big nowadays, and the rules are different. As said, the John Terry scenario is still ongoing, and as has been said already, he deserves a worse ban and fine as he has had police involved, and video footage against him, points against him. If he's found guilty, he should be removed from the England squad, and given a lengthy ban - whether the FA will want to impose such a punishment on the Captain of the National side, but if they don't there will be all sorts of problems.

I see Suarez is planning to appeal, fair enough, I'd like to see him get it down a bit more. This doesn't mean I'm not against racism, I hate it, I've had a mate racially abused at Plainmoor by opposition fans before, something I won't forget in a hurry. It is something that needs ridding in the game, but to set a bar this high, over a potential culture difference, is a shot in the foot for the FA, in my opinion.

usagullmichigan wrote:what do people think about LFC's reaction

Dalglish said maybe the FA should get fans behaviour sorted out (or words to that effect). :slap:

He's having a laugh, Thieverpool fans were and are some of the worst behaved in not just England, but Europe (no need to go into details, Heysel and Hillsborough have been covered x's many), anyone who has ever crossed Stanley (knife) Park on a matchday will know the truth brushed under the media's carpet >:( >:( >:( . Also they are notorious for storming gates to get in grounds for nowt (an Arsenal steward about 5 years after Hillsborough said he feared for his life while trying to get the lovely Scousers off the hatched emergency gangways into seats-only to have pointed out to him that all the seats were full, some of them with two people sat on them!) .
Thieverpool is a club and a city that continually play the victim card and they piss me (and nearly everyone I know) off!

As said before i think there is No place for racism, i personaly will take each person as find them regradless of skin colour etc, however it is about time the goverment , police, F.A , schools and whoever else got themselves sorted out, because it is all one way, and getting beyond a joke now.

We are seeing more and more a complete and total over reaction , for sake of nothing more than "to seen to do the right thing"Which cant any of these idiots see, is doing more to create racial hatred than cure it.

There starting on Alan Hansen now, for using the word coloured , for fork sake do these people share a brain cell or what, it odviuos even to a complete half wit , he used that word in the belief it would less offensive than black, even if he had used the word black, there would have been some one called for him be sacked some where..should he have said rainbow players?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyy ... f-the-day/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Depending what area of the country you come from your kids are being taught Baa, baa, rainbow, or green even happy sheep, humpty dumpty , now counts to ten, before getting up and living happy ever after, what next snow white and the seven dwarfs, become's snow girl and the seven cute helpers.

AHHHHHHH..

NickGull wrote:

As Richinns points out, the cultural differences around the World are big nowadays, and the rules are different.

Sorry to reduce your post to this Nick, but I generally agree with most of the rest of it but take issue with this.

The cultural differences are reducing as the world becomes more integrated BUT the rules are still the same for everyone. Whether Uruguayan players call each other by derogatory names or not makes absolutely no difference at all. To abuse someone because of the colour of his skin is offensive, just because Suarez can call someone in his National team a Monkey DOESN'T give him the right to use it in this country. Some of the worst racism exists in the Balkan countries and there is no place for it in todays game. I've witnessed racism and been racially abused myself, it isn't nice however it's presented, I would have liked to see a stiffer penalty for Suarez, a penalty for Evra who admitted abusing (if not racial he still admitted abusing Suarez) and John Terry should be stripped of the England captaincy and banned for a considerable length of time.

Having said all that, racism needs addressing in all its forms, not just white on black as seems to be the custom.

A Primary School teacher says to the class that today they are doing famous quotations and asks who said, "Kiss me Hardy".

Quick as a flash, a black kid sticks his hand up and says, "Lord Nelson . . . Battle of Trafalgar . . . 1805."

"YOU F*CKING BLACK C*NT"

"Who said that !" shouted the teacher.

Little white kid at the back said, "John Terry . . . Loftus Road . . . 2011."

My version of this joke is a little bit longer, but I like yours Troj.

For my money, it's all been blown out of proportion. I'm sure he was offended and I'm sure that Suarez was racist (deliberate or not), but worse things happen at sea and, without wanting to seem childish, I think that personal offence like this should be sorted between the men involved (a la Zidane), not reported to teacher. If you're that bothered, punch him on the nose, or talk it out, don't whinge to the authorities.

As for Liverpool''s reaction, appalling. I know the offences are slightly different, but if Newcastle players had worn Raul Moat t shirts, how would we all feel? The principle is the same.

Matt.

Couldn't disagree more Matt.

Back in the early 80's I was living in Oxford during the time of the riots. I was on my way home from work when I saw two skinheads in their late teens/early twenties viciously assaulting two black kids and calling them every insulting and racist term you could imagine. These kids were barely in their teens yet not one person came to their rescue until I stepped in. Nothing like the incident in question but where do you draw the line? What is a disgusting crime and what isn't? How are you supposed to stop this kind of thing unless you adopt a stance of zero tolerance? I've got no sympathy for Suarez or Terry, even less for Liverpool FC for their stance. Racism is racism, no place for it in todays society.

usagullmichigan wrote:what do people think about LFC's reaction

It's not so much what I think of the FA's reaction but the CPS. If John Terry is to be prosecuted then why is Suarez not facing the same thing. You cannot have one player being prosecuted and another not just because he is from Spain. After all Spain is in Europe not in the 3rd world and as far as I am concerened Europe is meant to be civilised so say. He's not backward. he is meant to be intelligent. It insults all our intelligence to say he is Spanish so it isn't as bad a John Terry cos he is brought up here. You cannot live in the country without hearing most weeks stories about racist abuse so he should wake up.
RANT OVER...... FOR NOW YYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAA >:(

No evidence to prosecute Suarez, Andy. Also, he's Uruguayan not Spanish

Glostergull wrote: It's not so much what I think of the FA's reaction but the CPS. If John Terry is to be prosecuted then why is Suarez not facing the same thing. You cannot have one player being prosecuted and another not just because he is from Spain. After all Spain is in Europe not in the 3rd world and as far as I am concerened Europe is meant to be civilised so say. He's not backward. he is meant to be intelligent. It insults all our intelligence to say he is Spanish so it isn't as bad a John Terry cos he is brought up here. You cannot live in the country without hearing most weeks stories about racist abuse so he should wake up.
RANT OVER...... FOR NOW YYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAA >:(

Terry is being prosecuted as a member of the crowd said they were offended by the term. The Suarez incident was only heard by those two, so no need for police involvement. At least that's how i understood it. (Someone could tell me i am completely wrong though!)

Isn't it about time we did the classic British thing?

Firstly, these <insert racist term here> are coming over here and taking our jobs. This Saurez chap, dirty little blighter can bugger off back to Turkmenistan. And Evra, well he's a frog isn't he! Damn racists! Now if you'll excuse me, I just need to go abroad, learn as little as possible of the language, expect everyone to speak English and then talk veeerrrrryyyyyy ssssllllllooooowwwwllllllyyyyy at them.

My point is simple. We, as a nation, are by far the worst in the world at being racist. So why is there such a fuss?

Firstly I think Liverpool's reaction did them no favours whatsoever. I do not agree with it at all. Regardless of whether Suarez meant offence does not mean that he should have avoided punishment. But I don't think he should be kicked out of Liverpool FC and banned permanently either.

Secondly about the whole racism works both ways thing. I agree. But the authorities don't always see it that way. My Mum is from South London and lived in Brixton when a lot of white women were being mugged by black youths. My Mum was herself a victim twice and my Aunt was threatened with a knife whilst out shopping with my Uncle, who was only nine at the time. Years later there was an inquiry. Someone suggested that the victims were possibly racist and were lying about who attacked them. My Mum was appalled. The danger is that because of the past authorities are going to over compensate which in turn leads to resentment. It's a vicious circle.

I know that one of the best things I can do to stop racism is to teach my children that we are all just human beings regardless of differences in appearance.