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Southampton Gull wrote:No not just you, Del. Personally I didn't see it as an offensive term, my post was intended to gauge opinion and then decide what if any action to take, but as usual you just want to turn it into something personal which is just harming the smooth-running of the site, so I'll just ignore you from now on and we can sort it out next time we meet, over a beer.

I take the word Negro personally because I was married to a black woman for nearly twenty years Dave, and if anybody had called her a Negro I would have spent a lot more time in prison than I have already done!

A beer together sounds good though!

Southampton Gull - Fair play, and that's why I was cautious in my criticism, but put it this way, I have a couple of black friends and if someone called them negros then I know for a fact that they wouldn't take it well. I think it is somewhat archaic and has certain connotations of a less enlightened era, rather than an intrinsically discriminative feeling, such as the other N word.

I have black relations, brother-in-law and nephews and nieces, I just called him to ask his thoughts and he laughed and said not at all and that it is just a Spanish word for black, so although that is his opinion and not shared by all I'm more than happy to accept it can be viewed as offensive. It was only a few days ago that I took the decision to edit a word on another Board that I do consider to be viewed as offensive, even if it wasn't meant in an offensive way.

I'm always accused of being too pc and it has caused disruption to the site more than once so I would hope that it's plainly obvious I have no wish to be seen as overbearing and just want to help this site remain what we've made it of late, a happy and fun place to share our views. I'm sure though that nobody actually thinks the OP meant it in any way to be offensive.

If you read my posts, I think it's pretty clear that I wasn't sure of my position on what should or shouldn't have been done. I prefer to let us view things in our own way and self-moderate, in this instance it's meant the thread going way off-topic but I don't think it's a bad thing unless people want a rigidly run site where going off-topic is frowned upon. It's a Site for all of us so would it be fair to ask for any criticisms, complaints or suggestions to be directed via pm to any of us Admins?

Let's try and keep it friendly, informative and a nice place to spend our free time.

Ok, I'm claiming ignorance on the whole negro scenario. To my mind, it is merely an archaic term. According to Wiki (please God, don't let my senior lecturer read this) it was included in the 2010 US census as an ethnic category. Also, words considerably more offensive than this seem to be acceptable in the popular culture music of Mr M&M and his ilk.

On the subject in hand, I'm disappointed that I am alone in thinking he would be a good signing. Not because I think you lot are wrong, but because I rather hoped we might have found ourselves the right man for the job.

As for whomsoever mentioned that he looked (and I'm paraphrasing) "like an impact sub, good in the air but little else" how, pray tell, does that, in any way, not describe Martin Gritton?

Oh well, back to the 'unearthing the answer to all our prayers srtiker' drawing board then.

Matt.

Mmmm. This one is drifting in and out of topic. There's a lot I could say and it certainly needs saying. At this very moment I'm busy and won't be back to post until much later.

Anything I post about Negroes and/or n*gg*rs will be on the Popside where it belongs.

( * ) denotes pick a, e, i, o, u, as applicable. Example : naggers.

Matt - claiming ignorance would seem to be the best thing for you on the subject of black people.

You have now described them on separate occasions as 'Negro', 'heavily tanned' and worst of all, 'black b@stards.'

Whilst the term negro is not offensive in its own right, I have to ask why you bother to use it in the context. When you have already mentioned his shirt number, is there really any need? And if you do wish to describe the player further, why would you not employ the universally acceptable term: 'black'?
Why do you feel the need to provoke on this matter? Please help me to understand.

Jonnyfive

I agree, no real need to say 'negro' could have easily said something else, anyway on subject, his goalscoring record is 48 appearances 9 goals (loose statistics as they are from wikipedia) Surely we need a poacher not a target man at the moment, with benyons imminent departure?

Sorry guys the "n" word is just not on and I very much hope I never read that word or any other pejorative adjective like "heavily tanned" ever again on this site.

Jonnyfive is absolutely correct.

Ok I agree that ferrarilover did't need to use the word, even if he didnt mean it in an offensive way but I have heard much worse from black rappers and the elderly! I guess it just depends on the individual person, wether they find it offensive or not.

2 pages over the use of one word and barely any discussion on the bloke himself. This country.

Anyhoo the original poster shouldn't have used the term, it would have stopped this 'discussion' before it began.

Manset - have him here in a heartbeat. That is all.

Aaah yes, Jonnyfive is alive. Everyone's favorite misquoter is back. I used the term negro because it is not offensive. It is an archaic term referring to a black person of non-specific lineage.

It is a cancer within modern society that it is virtually impossible to say or do anything without offending someone, anyone. It seems to me that people go out of their way to find offence, one need only tune in to the Jeremy Vine show on BBC Radio 2 to experience this phenomenon for oneself.

If any of you are so offended as to feel the need to take direct action, might I invite him to pass the relevant details to the police who, should they see fit, will arrest and charge me, else, I suggest we stop clogging up the board with needless argument and focus on the point in hand which is one of whether Manset would be a useful addition to the squad.

Matt.

It is not my intention to fall out with anybody on this forum, but some of you couldn t leave it alone. Apart from a previous post on this thread, I haven t used the word Negro for a long time. The word itself is archaic and relevant when in context as is ni**er (note no asterisks). The words are not going away, so get used to it. And Matt is/was in context as am I.

You sensitive types are best advised to stick on topic, it s what the Main Board is for, and those who want to play the politically correct prat, then I ll be waiting for you.

As stated elsewhere, political correctness is many things including a serious form of mental illness. Like a virus, it attacks the vulnerable, the weak willed, the stupid and those with a chip on the shoulder. The list is not exhaustive.

Political correctness is the enemy of logic. Common sense logic is my friend, therefore the enemy of my friend is to be engaged in combat at every opportunity.

There s a game on today involving the club we all love. Be a friend of TorquayFans.com, keep the Main Board for FOOTBALL relative to TORQUAY UNITED, the club we all love.

ADMIN EDIT (SG)

Dave Thomas said in the radio commentary that with Manset you never knew what you were going to get - one day he'd be brilliant, on another virtually absent (I'm paraphrasing).

Hi, I've read this site for some time but never felt moved to post for various reasons. It's strange that as someone who is nearly thirty and has been following United all my life I'm moved to post over something that is no longer football related.

Matt, over recent times you've used three derogatory terms for black (or mixed race) pro's. You've used them to test waters and make yourself appear un -pc. Well done. As a fellow United supporter who is not caucasian I would ask that you please engage the brain that you clearly have and stop.

And Trojan, removing racism from sport and PC are two very different issues.

Many thanks and apologies for interrupting your debate.

Steve

No need to apologise, Steve.

It's all about opinions, and I'm glad you've come out and posted yours.

Welcome to the forum, too