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For me, whether the board are doing the best with what they have or not, isn't the real issue here, I know whether they are or as they case maybe are not, who does. The issue what statement can they actually make ?

They can't for so many obvious reasons come out and say, we've got no money so we have no choice but to back him, they can't come out and say we're giving our full backing to AK so appeal for us fans to do same, because, well, that might not be true, how many clubs have done that in past only to sack their manager 3-4-5 games down the line, Christ can you imagine the reaction of some of us, look at the fuss some of us made over the ML sacking and what was and wasn't said to him.

Nothing is cut and dried in football, it never will be, so the only statement that can made is, when and if a decision to sack AK is made.

forevertufc wrote:For me, whether the board are doing the best with what they have or not, isn't the real issue here, I know whether they are or as they case maybe are not, who does. The issue what statement can they actually make ?

They can't for so many obvious reasons come out and say, we've got no money so we have no choice but to back him, they can't come out and say we're giving our full backing to AK so appeal for us fans to do same, because, well, that might not be true, how many clubs have done that in past only to sack their manager 3-4-5 games down the line, Christ can you imagine the reaction of some of us, look at the fuss some of us made over the ML sacking and what was and wasn't said to him.

Nothing is cut and dried in football, it never will be, so the only statement that can made is, when and if a decision to sack AK is made.

I think deep down I know this and what a lot of you have said about releasing 'a statement' makes sense. I just really would like the reassurance from the club that the board are fully aware of how acute this situation really is I guess. Not that it would make any difference if it's true we have no cash to ditch Knill.

We'll find out soon enough anyway if the club have the cash or not because come New Year we'll be adrift of 3rd bottom by a tidy margin and if he isn't sacked then, well we'll know there is nothing in the pot.

Oh good, the old 'I've been a fan for X years, so my opinion is automatically valid' argument.

If you're insulted by an alternative opinion, then, and here comes more insult, GITP, perhaps the Internet isn't the place for you.

You've been a fan for all those years and, for all those years (bar, what, three?) we've been in division 4. For the majority of that, we've been somewhere near the bottom of division 4. It just happens that, right now, we're dead bottom. You're extremely upset about this. So upset, in fact, that I really cannot believe that an extra, say, 8 points (which it is perfectly feasible that we could have without really being any better than we actually are) and sitting 14th-16th, would sate your thirst for blood. If it would, you're even dafter than your persistent calls for a meaningless, cliché riddled, 'official statement' suggest.

Matt.

I just really would like the reassurance from the club that the board are fully aware of how acute this situation really is I guess.

Why do you need the board to assure you they are aware of the 'situation'? Do you really believe they have no idea what goes on at their club?

ferrarilover wrote:Oh good, the old 'I've been a fan for X years, so my opinion is automatically valid' argument.

If you're insulted by an alternative opinion, then, and here comes more insult, GITP, perhaps the Internet isn't the place for you.

You've been a fan for all those years and, for all those years (bar, what, three?) we've been in division 4. For the majority of that, we've been somewhere near the bottom of division 4. It just happens that, right now, we're dead bottom. You're extremely upset about this. So upset, in fact, that I really cannot believe that an extra, say, 8 points (which it is perfectly feasible that we could have without really being any better than we actually are) and sitting 14th-16th, would sate your thirst for blood. If it would, you're even dafter than your persistent calls for a meaningless, cliché riddled, 'official statement' suggest.

Matt.

Not the brightest cookie in the jar are you? I did NOT say that my opinion is "automatically valid" because I have been a fan for 49 years. If you can read, just have a look at what I said. What I took exception to is YOUR statement that Torquay were perhaps not the club for me, just because I didn't like our current position and that I should watch Man City instead. What the hell is that about, that is not about opinion, that is me taking exception to what is for me a very personal insult.

I have been through thick and thin with this club. I don't "want blood", I just want my club to stay in the League. My opinion, which is feck all to do with how long I have been supporting the club, is that AK should be given the boot. You are welcome to disagree with that, but don't you dare go saying that I should support another club simply because I hold that opinion. All of this just shows you up for the offensive person that you come over as.

Blimey, you really are of extremely weak constitution, which is odd for someone from a steely generation.

For someone who supports a club who struggle as often as Torquay does, you're reacting very badly to our current situation.

Your 49 years comment certainly had a 'wisened old gent' quality about it. Perhaps you don't understand the impact of the words you choose beyond their plain and simple meaning which, ironically, would render you and I both as the Garibaldis among a barrel of Bourbons.

Matt.

Look Matt, I am reacting badly to it because I see the look of death about our team. I have seen it before, several times, but I have never seen a Torquay team so devoid of ambition, hope and will to win. Watching this side is awful, a penance, and I believe very strongly that this man will lead us to the conference. He doesn't mean to I'm sure, but he will take us down if he is not removed. Plainmoor is a dreadful place now, a place of miserable, abject failure, and for this AK must take the blame.

I don't want to fall out with you, but suggesting that I should support another team is like asking the Chief Rabbi to convert to Islam.

As Chief Rabbi might say: "go forth, my son, and seek out Ferrarilover posts which speak of a swinging pendulum. Take solace within."

It's cryptic, but since neither of us is as stupid as you think, you'll work it out.

Matt.

gullintwoplaces wrote:Look Matt, I am reacting badly to it because I see the look of death about our team. I have seen it before, several times, but I have never seen a Torquay team so devoid of ambition, hope and will to win. Watching this side is awful, a penance, and I believe very strongly that this man will lead us to the conference. He doesn't mean to I'm sure, but he will take us down if he is not removed. Plainmoor is a dreadful place now, a place of miserable, abject failure, and for this AK must take the blame.

I don't want to fall out with you, but suggesting that I should support another team is like asking the Chief Rabbi to convert to Islam.

This is precisely it - we have all seen a lot of lows however long we have been supporting the team but right now it is a genuine belief of the majority of fans that anybody, absolutely anybody would be better placed to give us a chance of staying up. Emotions are running so high as this appears to be a critical juncture in proceedings - we are still within touching distance of climbing the league and my own opinion is that we have had far far worse quality squads over the years and this situation is purely down to poor management.

It's hard not to get wound up by OPs like this (despite knowing that's what they are intended to do) as whatever our individual opinions we all want the same thing.

The idea is to show those clamouring for a club statement exactly what it would say if issued today.

The club has nothing to say except to state the bleedin' obvious because nothing has yet been done, and they certainly won't be commenting on any Boardroom decisions regarding 'giving Knill a few games'.

If you disagree, please write your own version.

Matt.

Totally agree with the sentiment of Knightmare, and intwoplaces, your both right, our club is in big trouble, turning up to plainmoor has never been so utterly miserable, I personally don't think it was this bad during 2007, we all seem to except the club was on it's way and just got on with it. The thing is, the board do understand and get it, as does the manager, players, and every fan, trust me.

But Matt is also right, what statement can the board make ? Everything will be ok, well it might not be. We're going to back the manager, might not be true. We feel the same pain as the fans, and we're going to fix it, they might not be able to, see.

ferrarilover wrote:The idea is to show those clamouring for a club statement exactly what it would say if issued today.

The club has nothing to say except to state the bleedin' obvious because nothing has yet been done, and they certainly won't be commenting on any Boardroom decisions regarding 'giving Knill a few games'.

If you disagree, please write your own version.

Matt.

I actually agree with what you say Matt. I just think that fans who want Knill to go should express that opinion very, very forcibly. I guess I am just frustrated by what I see as inaction and sitting on hands by the Board, it probably is not but it comes over like that. I believe, and I accept that some may disagree, that AK is leading my club down the toilet and I want that to stop. I won't threaten boycotts, although some fans are clearly doing this, but my heart is very heavy. I see complete and utter failure with AK in charge, and possibly the end of my team.

So, to summarise, those who previously felt the club needed to issue a statement, now do not believe this is necessary. Quite right, too.

Rjc70 wrote:So, to summarise, those who previously felt the club needed to issue a statement, now do not believe this is necessary. Quite right, too.

Well if you say so.

I never actually said it was necessary or even had to be about Knill but just it may be a good idea and may diffuse some of the situation amongst more reasonable fans if at least they made an effort to interact with the fans for a change and offer a token thanks for all the support kind of thing that's all.

So no, not quite right,

AustrianAndyGull wrote: Well if you say so.

I never actually said it was necessary or even had to be about Knill but just it may be a good idea and may diffuse some of the situation amongst more reasonable fans if at least they made an effort to interact with the fans for a change and offer a token thanks for all the support kind of thing that's all.

So no, not quite right,

Your best post for a while Andy, totally agree.