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Southampton Gull wrote:Good question, I don't know the answer to that as far as Ellis is concerned but I'd say that Stevens fits the scenario you suggest. I like Ellis, like most I like his gung-ho style but I'm also able to see what a liability he can be as well. I'll just put my faith in Martin Ling to do the best with what he has at his disposal and at the moment he doesn't deem Ellis as good enough to displace Saah or Robertson.

Absolutely. If he could sort the lack of concentration out and keep a view of the "bigger picture" than just where the ball is right now, he would undoubtedly be at a Championship side if not higher. I would still be tempted, if the defence still looks shakey after the next couple of games, to give him a run to see how he responds. We all know there's a good footballer in there trying to get out, his displays last season were quality until around Christmas time for some reason.

IMO, he is too good to be sat on a League Two bench, and he must surely know that. Let's not forget he was linked with League One clubs in January, this lad will go places. I just hope he doesn't 'go places' on a free due to a lack of first team opportunities. Admittedly, i haven't seen Saah in action yet so I cannot judge the Saah - Robbo combination but if one can't perform there would be no harm in at least giving Ellis a go in a game, just to see if he has worked on the concentration side of his game - as i doubt that is something you can really tell from working with him in training.

Father Jack wrote: Just a matter of interest, when do players stop being "young and full of potential" and become "unfulfilled promise" so to speak?

Hes been here for what, 4 years? and must have played nearly 100 games?

Young and full of potential? Dave is starting to sound like Arsene Wenger!

Hardly, Andy, my accent is definitely not French

Interestingly, I missed part of FJ's post earlier, I would have thought that Ellis has played closer to 50 games rather than 100, does anybody know the actual number?

I make it 90 appearances in all competitions according to soccerbase.

Has he really averaged over 20 games a season? Doesn't seem like anything near that.

We play Cheltenham a week Tuesday in the JPT - an ideal chance to give Ellis 90mins I'd say.

Jeff wrote:We play Cheltenham a week Tuesday in the JPT - an ideal chance to give Ellis 90mins I'd say.

That would be the game I'd choose to give him and a couple of others a runout.

Southampton Gull wrote:Has he really averaged over 20 games a season? Doesn't seem like anything near that.

Having just had a butchers at soccerbase (Eh? Season long loan to Forest Green in 09/10?), he's averaged 29 starts a season (with 5.5 subs slots) over the last 2 seasons back in the league (i need to get out more)...

What "shocked" me on Saturday, was how quick most supporters f ' ked off home.

It's always the same after a defeat. Boots and Laces was quiet after the game and so was the Union.

A defeat doesn't ever deter me from enjoying my Saturday night out. However, a win always gives the night a better edge.

I'm really suprised that Crawley are doing so well tbh.

I know they are bookies faves but they do have a distinctly average squad on paper, and a very inexperienced defence.

I remember one time we were top of L1 after the first half dozen games and everyone thought we'd walk it.......we ended up relegated.

I'm still looking for us to beat them on their own patch anyway, just a tad worried about having a CB playing RB against their decent left winger.

Gashead1979 wrote:I'm really suprised that Crawley are doing so well tbh.

I know they are bookies faves but they do have a distinctly average squad on paper, and a very inexperienced defence.

I remember one time we were top of L1 after the first half dozen games and everyone thought we'd walk it.......we ended up relegated.

I'm still looking for us to beat them on their own patch anyway, just a tad worried about having a CB playing RB against their decent left winger.

Gashead, how have you worked that one out. We (TUFC) beat you, they (Crawley) beat us The last game they lost was against Manchester United in last season's FA cup. When are you playing them (Crawley not MU)?

diamondgirl wrote:

Gashead, how have you worked that one out. We (TUFC) beat you, they (Crawley) beat us The last game they lost was against Manchester United in last season's FA cup. When are you playing them (Crawley not MU)?

oh right well if thats how footy matches are decided then we should be able to predict every match from now til May?

we play Crawley on Sat 3rd Sept, away, but we have 3 games before that so even more time for the team to gel a bit

Gashead1979 wrote:I'm really suprised that Crawley are doing so well tbh.

I know they are bookies faves but they do have a distinctly average squad on paper, and a very inexperienced defence.

I remember one time we were top of L1 after the first half dozen games and everyone thought we'd walk it.......we ended up relegated.

I'm still looking for us to beat them on their own patch anyway, just a tad worried about having a CB playing RB against their decent left winger.

lol with the greatest of respect mate get used to it, and if those players that are affected complain about it,,, get used to even more of it.

Dave_Pougher wrote: lol with the greatest of respect mate get used to it, and if those players that are affected complain about it,,, get used to even more of it.

Well we had to get our RB out of the team, apparently he had a 'mare against your lot.

More puzzling is Zebroski, doesnt look like a winger, cant see he'd be any good as a striker, doesnt really look like a footballer at all, but still gets in the team ahead of Carayol who looked class when we've seen him. Most of Buckles team selections and subs have been very confusing to say the least.....