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I don't think this is an issue. The players know what they have to do and what is required. What the manager does need from his players is respect, which I believe Hargreaves will get if he comes in.sam_ wrote:One issue with Greavsie, is two of his good mates are still in the squad, wonder if that would have an affect, or would it push Nicholson and Mansell into coaching/player roles?
Well, we have a better chance of surviving relegation now that Knill has gone. Most certainly.stefano wrote:It probably does not matter who it is. The club are in the relegation zone without a manager. Forget the January transfer window. We have to pay off the ex-manager. The players we have on loan will go back to their clubs, Mozika who is on a week to week contract will leave, we will recall our out on loan players breaking the hearts of supporters of clubs like Bideford and Swindon Submarine, and players who should have been on their way during the January window (freeing up a fair bit of cash as they are the most highly paid) will dig their heels in and will still be here in May. The club will probably be relegated well before May in any case so I don't suppose it really matters.
Your opinion was fine until the 'most certainly' bit. It will be impossible to prove either way, whichever way it goeshector wrote: Well, we have a better chance of surviving relegation now that Knill has gone. Most certainly.
Exactly right.stefano wrote: Your opinion was fine until the 'most certainly' bit. It will be impossible to prove either way, whichever way it goes
PhilGull wrote: Eh?
The current board, even if you say they have been in charge since the takeover from Bateson (which a lot of them haven't) have had a successful Buckle who moved on to bigger(!) and better(!) things and a successful Ling who had his illness. The only really mistake they could be accused of making was appointing Knill permanently without seeking other candidates.
The weight of evidence and the balance of probabilities suggests we were down under Knill. It was just getting worse and worse. It was not going to improve. If you have the evidence of his previous record and the evidence that is staring you in the face, compared to say a Sturrock coming in and his previous record, then the likelihood is things will improve post-Knill, as they couldn't get much worse.stefano wrote: Your opinion was fine until the 'most certainly' bit. It will be impossible to prove either way, whichever way it goes
Yes. But 'balance of probabilities' or 'likelihood' is not 'most certainly'. So it's as we were thenhector wrote: The weight of evidence and the balance of probabilities suggests we were down under Knill. It was just getting worse and worse. It was not going to improve. If you have the evidence of his previous record and the evidence that is staring you in the face, compared to say a Sturrock coming in and his previous record, then the likelihood is things will improve post-Knill, as they couldn't get much worse.
stefano wrote: ... and don't include me in the 'we'!
Thanks for your playing days Mr Hargreaves, but please go to Northampton.
Who is qualified on here? Doesn't stop pages of debate over the right candidate.MF68 wrote:I repeat ...............Who is qualified from our board to make this vital decision?
I counted Leroy twice and Colin Lee. I take your point about stability at both board and management level but things certainly aren't what they should be now-we've also had three Chairmen since Bateson left(or is it 4,as I seem to remember Keith Richardson taking it on for a couple of weeks as well).hector wrote:
Yes - the current board, I suspect would be a model of stability if circumstances hadn't dictated otherwise.
The managers since Leroy are: John Cornforth, Ian Atkins, Lubus Kubik, Keith Curle, Leroy Rosenior again, Paul Buckle, Martin Ling, Alan Knill - so I'm uncertain who the other two are.
The first 5 all managed in the space of just over a year from around Jan/Feb 2006 to May 2007. That was in the chaos of the Bateson/Roberts dying empire.
Buckle lasted 4 years and it would have been longer had Bristol Rovers not poached him, whilst the same could be said of Ling, had 'illness' not claimed him.
Alan Knill was the only knee-jerk appointment and he was the only one that didn't work out. If the board can be measured but swift, then as illustrated by their appointments prior to Knill, then they have a good chance of getting it right.
Alan Knill was just never a good fit. He didn't seem to click with players or the supporters. If the next appointment does then the club have every chance of being stable for a longer period.