BILL PHILLIPS ?

[frenchgull]

Great posting DTG,you have hit the nail perfectly on the head,particularly the comment about hiding behind Thea's skirts,sums em up as you suggest.

[DTG]

Perhaps some of our more inquisitive fans could ask Mr Phillips for an explanation to his failure at the Wycombe game. Surely he must be able to tell the Fans how he has managed (sic) to run TUFC into the ground, destroy a large part of the goodwill towards the Board, bring us to the brink of going bust, made a laughing stock of our Club and led us to the Pub League. I would love to see his business plan of 3 years ago to see what targets he set and his plan to achieve them. If I was able to get to the Wycombe game I would be making a bee line for Mr Phillips and I would persuade him to tell us.

[ferrarilover]

GS< I gave this answer to Hector on another thread and it scratches the surface of the problems caused by Phillips and Baker. Feel free to dissect it and tell me I'm wrong.
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by DTG » 18 Apr 2014, 15:30

Hector asked:
It has been said that there is nobody on the Board with football experience which is fair comment, but isn't that the case at most clubs? My perception is that the Board is lacking a real leader. Simon Baker wasn't cut out for the job of chairman and I suspect Thea didn't really want the job but fell into it because nobody else would grasp the nettle. Right - I've had my say and now I'll put on my bullet proof vest and sit back and wait for the bullets to come my way !! Good to have you back on here, Andy, stirring us up again !!

That's how I see it also. They have cocked up with their selection of managers but I feel that they are a group of people who have done their best. There is much, much more they could be doing to promote the club but on the whole, I think the consortium, and Thea in particular, have done a decent job. It has just been decisions over managers that have cost us and hopefully they will learn from this.


Hector (Steve) we agree on a lot of things TUFC but this is tongue in cheek, right? On what scale are you measuring "have done a decent job" or "group of people who have done their best" ?? On what level of feckup would you like me to start? The incompetent man management, the completely inept communication, the inability to spend money where it's needed to minimise potential problems, recognising potential problems, non existant PR, absolutely zero CRM, the Marketing skills of Gerald Ratner on a particularly gaff prone day, adminstration procedures that alienate fans, lack of balls to stand up to the local hi-viz H&S stazi costing the club tens of thousands of pounds in revenue (is the Easter Monday game all ticket?), throwing money at white elephants (seale hayne), promoting beyong their skill set (Baker), putting an egotistical feckwit in charge (Phillips), not using recognised HR procedures and Employment criteria, building a new Grandstand that can never be used to capacity when it will be needed most and creating havoc with the playing surface in the process..............[color=#FF[/color]

Thea (god bless her) should never be anywhere near the front line but the bunch of gutless fools giving advice find her the perfect "sofa" to hide behind. This club is a shambles and the sooner it is recognised the sooner something can be done about it.

Dear Lord Almighty please do that very thing.

Never have I seen a post written work such authority be so completely devoid of factual basis. If Andy Candy is reading that, he must be laughing his socks off at the sheer naivety of it all.

I really wish that the club could, when for just a few days, be placed in the hands of those on here who think that they'd be able to do a better job.

No, the club isn't perfect, it does make mistakes, but then, so do companies like British Airways and BMW, so it's little wonder that our operation (which consists of fewer people than it takes to valet my car and runs on a budget which is less than I spent last year on shoelaces) makes them too.

There are lots of mouthpieces on here, yacking on about this and that, but you've not the first clue what goes on. Honestly, it's like listening to a five year old who's come home from school having studied apartheid in history class and asking simply "why don't the people just stop fighting?" The question seems reasonable to those with no further knowledge, but to anyone who knows the first thing about the realities of life at a football club sees straight through the nonsense and, if they're anything like me, holds their head in their hands and prays to God that the person making the post knows more about their chosen career than they do about the workings of a football club.

I feel this way knowing, maybe, 2% more than your average Joe. Christ only knows what the likes of Budleigh and Andy Candy must go through every time they're foolish enough to log on.

Matt.

[DTG]

Are you really trying to suggest that they've done a good job? I know AC's hands were being tied behind his back by those in positions of authority. There are very few people at TUFC who come out of this with some credit, AC is one of them, he had an impossible job with the constraints on him. Your whitewashing of all responsibility has all the credibility of a Bernie Madoff defence team. Any businessmen with a modicum of knowledge could have foreseen this and avoided it. Our Board with the support of halfwits like you telling them what a good job they're doing has led us to the Pub League. You're just as responsible for your stupidity.

[Gullscorer]

Could we please have less personal abuse and more reasoned argument backed up if possible by appropriate sources and citations..??

[DTG]

Could we please have less personal abuse and more reasoned argument backed up if possible by appropriate sources and citations..??

My apologies GS and also to halfwits for lumping them in the same thicket as Idiotboy. After lurking for a few years and being amazed at his rudeness, knowitall, holier than thou, condescending arrogance I thought given the current circumstances the fool needed to be called out. His last post is testimony to the complete stupidity of his position. He doesn't know squat about business along wih his "buds" on the Board. While the club is in the hands of these legal eagle bean counters, supported by grima wormtongues like **** then we will not get out of this mess. A wholesale clean out of these incompetents is needed. Before you ask who's going to run the club I would say anyone who is not on the current Board as they couldn't do any worse or more damage.

[PlainmoorRoar]

My apologies GS and also to halfwits for lumping them in the same thicket as Idiotboy. After lurking for a few years and being amazed at his rudeness, knowitall, holier than thou, condescending arrogance I thought given the current circumstances the fool needed to be called out. His last post is testimony to the complete stupidity of his position. He doesn't know squat about business along wih his "buds" on the Board. While the club is in the hands of these legal eagle bean counters, supported by grima wormtongues like tw*t then we will not get out of this mess. A wholesale clean out of these incompetents is needed. Before you ask who's going to run the club I would say anyone who is not on the current Board as they couldn't do any worse or more damage.

I really feel for Thea, but i can't thank her enough

Sometimes don't think our supporters show are appreciation to her for what she's done

[ferrarilover]

Are you really trying to suggest that they've done a good job? I know AC's hands were being tied behind his back by those in positions of authority. There are very few people at TUFC who come out of this with some credit, AC is one of them, he had an impossible job with the constraints on him. Your whitewashing of all responsibility has all the credibility of a Bernie Madoff defence team. Any businessmen with a modicum of knowledge could have foreseen this and avoided it. Our Board with the support of halfwits like you telling them what a good job they're doing has led us to the Pub League. You're just as responsible for your stupidity.

It's a common tactic, employed by those who haven't really got a lot to say, to simply bluster on for as long as possible without offering anything of any value, either generally or specifically to the nature of the conversation at hand. I see you're well versed in such dealings and shall treat you accordingly.

If in doubt, simply keep talking.

Matt.

[Jerry]

I see that still nobody has answered Hector's question.

DTG has listed the mistakes made by the club but nothing specific to Bill Phillips.

Supes you've been very forthright on this thread, can we please just have a simple explanation of what he is personally culpable for?

I'm not doubting you, but us simple fans without connections at the club are completely in the dark and would love to be enlightened.

[hector]

Dear Lord Almighty please do that very thing.

Never have I seen a post written work such authority be so completely devoid of factual basis. If Andy Candy is reading that, he must be laughing his socks off at the sheer naivety of it all.

I really wish that the club could, when for just a few days, be placed in the hands of those on here who think that they'd be able to do a better job.

No, the club isn't perfect, it does make mistakes, but then, so do companies like British Airways and BMW, so it's little wonder that our operation (which consists of fewer people than it takes to valet my car and runs on a budget which is less than I spent last year on shoelaces) makes them too.

There are lots of mouthpieces on here, yacking on about this and that, but you've not the first clue what goes on. Honestly, it's like listening to a five year old who's come home from school having studied apartheid in history class and asking simply "why don't the people just stop fighting?" The question seems reasonable to those with no further knowledge, but to anyone who knows the first thing about the realities of life at a football club sees straight through the nonsense and, if they're anything like me, holds their head in their hands and prays to God that the person making the post knows more about their chosen career than they do about the workings of a football club.

I feel this way knowing, maybe, 2% more than your average Joe. Christ only knows what the likes of Budleigh and Andy Candy must go through every time they're foolish enough to log on.

Matt.

Is Budleigh connected to the club? Is there something obvious that I have been missing all of this time?

[hector]

I see that still nobody has answered Hector's question.

DTG has listed the mistakes made by the club but nothing specific to Bill Phillips.

Supes you've been very forthright on this thread, can we please just have a simple explanation of what he is personally culpable for?

I'm not doubting you, but us simple fans without connections at the club are completely in the dark and would love to be enlightened.

I would echo this question.

We all know that the club have messed up - but as far as I can tell, it was with the manager and little else, as we were not all crashing down on the board when we were in the play-offs for the 2nd year running 2 years ago.

They messed up with the whole Ling/Knill/Hargreaves episodes but with a budget that was the same as promoted Rochdale.

In my mind, the whole disaster has to do with decisions made about managers. If Bill Phillips made those decisions, then he can be rightly castigated but if not, then I am puzzled as to what else he could have done wrong to warrant such abuse.

[DevonYellow]

He's a witch burn him.

[ferrarilover]

I would echo this question.

We all know that the club have messed up - but as far as I can tell, it was with the manager and little else, as we were not all crashing down on the board when we were in the play-offs for the 2nd year running 2 years ago.

They messed up with the whole Ling/Knill/Hargreaves episodes but with a budget that was the same as promoted Rochdale.

In my mind, the whole disaster has to do with decisions made about managers. If Bill Phillips made those decisions, then he can be rightly castigated but if not, then I am puzzled as to what else he could have done wrong to warrant such abuse.

You really will believe absolutely anything you're told, won't you? Do you find that people keep telling you that you've won the Nigerian lottery?

Matt.

[MH91]

Didn't someone..at some point...mention that Ling was in perfect relations with all board members apart from Phillips, who had to do a lot with the sacking of Ling? Not entirely sure...I think I read it last year at that time somewhere in the forum.

[stefano]

Didn't someone..at some point...mention that Ling was in perfect relations with all board members apart from Phillips, who had to do a lot with the sacking of Ling? Not entirely sure...I think I read it last year at that time somewhere in the forum.

That will make it fact then