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See both sides of the Atieno argument, and while I agree that from a man management point of view, Rene cannt be allowed simply to walk back into the side, from a purely footballing stance, Rene should start.
For all our good work, Tai has brought surprisingly little to the table in terms of his primary duty (sticking the ball on the onion bag). While he may have done some good ancillary work, we must ask the question as to whether we may have done somewhat better with the big dude in the team?

While Tai is an ample replacement who doesn't do any particular harm to our overall play (unlike, say, McPhee ), he probably doesn't do it a great deal of good either.

Have we considered the two together?

Matt.

sonofwod wrote:I don't think it does any harm for Howe to have to fight to get his place back. He got himself sent off for a stupid tackle, he's missed 4 games and his replacement has done nothing wrong, with the team hitting some great form. There's no question he's the better footballer, but he's also the more rash of the two. Let him learn his lesson on the bench and let Atieno be rewarded for his part in recent success.

First of all I'll caveat that what I am going to say is mainly from the basis of listening to games on the radio and highlights - the two games I've seen were the Sheff Utd game on a stream and Hereford at my only game of the season so far...

I've actually been surprised by the lack of rashness from Howe - he generally seems to play with a smile on his face and doesn't seem to get wound up easily. I'm not sure how much the sending off was a rush of blood or simply just a very badly timed tackle.

There is no doubt that of the two Howe is the better player - a composed finisher and for a big man very good with his feet (in fact he is probably weakest in the air). However, I wonder whether, especially away from home, Atieno actually adds slightly more to the overall team play. Howe, while quicker than he looks like he should be, does not have the genuine pace that Atieno does. Atieno is strong enough to look after himself as a lone striker and I think combined with the pace he has he forces opposition defences to play deeper and so actually allowing O'Kane, Morris and Stevens to push further on and have a little more room to play. I think Atieno also pressures defences/keepers slightly more.

One other thing that was noticeable about Howe in both the games I've seen - he comes both deep and wide to win the ball but once he has done his job he doesn't get into the box quick enough - he seems to like staying involved in the play (which he is good at) and not make his presence felt in the box.

Just my two pence worth anyway - a regular attendee may point out it is all rubbish!

I'd favour Howe too, but with Ling's style of management I'm expecting to see Atieno for the forseeable future, and with the position we're in it would be petty to challenge it.

ferrarilover wrote:
Have we considered the two together?

Matt - I think we need the 4-5-1 formation to get the best out of Eunan and our two wide players. I just don't think Eunan is effective in a 2 man midfield, especially alongside Manse who will always want to get forward. The current formation allows Lathrope to screen, Manse to play box to box and Eunan to be free.

maybe even 433, with howe tai and lil danny running about in crazy circles, drop morris and have manse damon and eunan in middle??

hoping for a big win, backed 4-0 and 3-0 but expect it'll be much tighter and will settle for a narrow 2-1 as usual!!

I'm a big fan of big Rene (no, really) but Atieno has to keep his place. Its basic man-management. Taiwo has done nothing wrong - regardless of whether we believe Rene would have done more "right", if you know what I mean. To drop Taiwo now, you might as well say to him "Don't bother training or playing well in the reserves, because unless Rene hurts himself you ain't playing son". Rene has to earn his place back, he lost it in the first place and we've been on great form since. You don't change a winning team, plus the team are probably getting used to having Taiwo up there and looking for his runs so the selection may have even more to give.

As for them playing together, well it worked o.k at Southampton and Rovers earlier in the season but less so elsewhere. And who would you drop? Morris? Stevens? Lathrope? Nobody in the current XI deserves to get the boot.

Anyway, we are all aware of the ex-player syndrome and how you always expect your rejects to score against you? Well Tai had a little spell at Dagenham - cue goal-fest!

Howe starts

JamieE wrote:Howe starts

Dodgy move if you ask me! I think Tai deserved another chance against a team that's been shipping goals.

JamieE wrote:Howe starts

Where did you find out that?

its true, teams just in off player

Robert Olejnik

Joe Oastler
Chris Robertson
Mark Ellis
Kevin Nicholson

Damon Lathrope
Lee Mansell
Eunan O'Kane
Ian Morris

Danny Stevens
Rene Howe


subs
Brian Saah
Martin Rice
Lathanial Rowe-Turner
Chris McPhee
Taiwo Atieno

Jeff wrote:I'm a big fan of big Rene (no, really) but Atieno has to keep his place. Its basic man-management. Taiwo has done nothing wrong - regardless of whether we believe Rene would have done more "right", if you know what I mean. To drop Taiwo now, you might as well say to him "Don't bother training or playing well in the reserves, because unless Rene hurts himself you ain't playing son". Rene has to earn his place back, he lost it in the first place and we've been on great form since. You don't change a winning team, plus the team are probably getting used to having Taiwo up there and looking for his runs so the selection may have even more to give.

As for them playing together, well it worked o.k at Southampton and Rovers earlier in the season but less so elsewhere. And who would you drop? Morris? Stevens? Lathrope? Nobody in the current XI deserves to get the boot.

Anyway, we are all aware of the ex-player syndrome and how you always expect your rejects to score against you? Well Tai had a little spell at Dagenham - cue goal-fest!

Tai has had a spell at most clubs! Should be scoring at least 20 a season!

I am pleased Howe is starting. Very tough call for Ling but if you were a D&R defender, who would you rather be facing in ten minutes time? I fancy him to bag a couple today.

Scott Brehaut wrote: Where did you find out that?

I have my sources. @InsidePlainmoor on twitter.

Good move I think, never believed in the never change a winning team thing, if you can improve the team by changing personnel or shape then it should be done.

evening everybody,COME ON YOU YELLOWS

Is Ross what his face drunk?