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Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:19
by nickfrench82
Spot on Andy, if someone told you the players go running 3 times a week but have no manager and the names are picked out of a hat on a Saturday lunchtime, would anybody honestly disagree?
If Knill was honest, he would resign. That won't happen because he's earning a wage and would waive his right to compensation.
If the board had the money they would sack him(IMHO)
Perhaps the cheapest and best option would be gardening leave for the manager(and most likely his assistant), and put Manse and Nico in charge. I know a lot of people will probably think I'm an idiot, but they have passion for the club and that, right now, seems to be missing in spades. If the players had belief and were organised tactically, they're more than good enough to get us out of this increasingly messy situation.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:26
by jonnyfive
hector wrote:
You, Matt, obviously do not have much of a handle on our club's history, in your desperate attempt to defend the inadequacy that is Alan Knill? If you did, you would know that in the 86 years since we acquired league football, we have finished bottom just FIVE times. In 1927, 1985, 1986, 1996 and 2007.
It is not the 'normal' state of affairs for us to be bottom of the league. Other than the first year, each of those seasons were avoidable, the vandalism of the Webb years in the 80s, Bateson's utter disregard in 96 and the wreckage of Roberts in 2007. Sadly, for you, you have backed yourself into a corner, with your support for Knill, so strenuous and superior you appear to believe your views are, yet you look stupid now. One of the lonely 9 or 10 (and probably less, thanks to multiple posting, no doubt) who clearly are happy to see us relegated because there are no arguments for keeping Knill. Not footballing, not financial.
Of course he doesn't, he's only followed the club for 5 minutes. And his repeated attempts to devalue long-term support as a worthwhile currency are just one of his many compensation strategies!
Bless him.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:28
by hector
Southampton Gull wrote:
No Rob, I'm still firmly of the opinion that the Board should issue a statement. All that's happening with the deafening silence is that they are compounding all the nasty vibes and comments aimed at the manager of our football club. A simple "Alan is working very hard to turn things around and has the full backing of the Board.............blah blah" is all it needs to quash all the bile we're reading and having to listen to at games.
Back him or bloody sack him, saying nothing is just not helping matters.
I always remember the Herald Express having that - without the bloody - as a headline around 1987, regarding Stuart Morgan. He signed a group of decent players but it was only the police dog that saved us. Cyril came in, with essentially the same team, plus Phil Lloyd, Sean Haslegrave and of course Dave Caldwell and utterly transformed it.
Perhaps someone could do the same now.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:31
by ferrarilover
More boring and feeble misrepresentation from Hector. Anyone would think we were doing well, such is the trouble he seems to have making a case from such excellent evidence without resorting to, often, total fabrication.
Dave, we don't often disagree (mainly because you're bigger than me), but I REALLY don't see what a statement will offer. All is will do is state the present situation. A situation of which all of us are acutely aware. We're bottom, we wish we weren't, Knill is still manager. They won't reveal anything more than that and we all (even the morons, surely) know this. It will sate the stupid for about 5 minutes and do nothing except antagonise those of us who already know what's going on.
Matt.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:40
by hector
ferrarilover wrote:More boring and feeble misrepresentation from Hector. Anyone would think we were doing well, such is the trouble he seems to have making a case from such excellent evidence without resorting to, often, total fabrication.
Dave, we don't often disagree (mainly because you're bigger than me), but I REALLY don't see what a statement will offer. All is will do is state the present situation. A situation of which all of us are acutely aware. We're bottom, we wish we weren't, Knill is still manager. They won't reveal anything more than that and we all (even the morons, surely) know this. It will sate the stupid for about 5 minutes and do nothing except antagonise those of us who already know what's going on.
Matt.
Err...I think it is you, who has peddling the myth that all season we have been either...
a) unlucky
b) robbed
c) victims of a refereeing conspiracy
d) conned by the bias of the BBC
e) didn't properly lose (although, admittedly, you haven't trotted this one out much, lately)
...and about to embark on some sort of amazing run...
Now that you are, perhaps, coming around to the idea, that actually we are, shit, you now seem to be suggesting that we always have been and always will be, in your desperate, and rather feeble, attempts to exonerate Alan Knill of any blame.
You join your other 9 friends (probably actually just 3) in your state of denial and watch the club sink even further, the longer Knill is in charge.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:41
by Southampton Gull
ferrarilover wrote:More boring and feeble misrepresentation from Hector. Anyone would think we were doing well, such is the trouble he seems to have making a case from such excellent evidence without resorting to, often, total fabrication.
Dave, we don't often disagree (mainly because you're bigger than me), but I REALLY don't see what a statement will offer. All is will do is state the present situation. A situation of which all of us are acutely aware. We're bottom, we wish we weren't, Knill is still manager. They won't reveal anything more than that and we all (even the morons, surely) know this. It will sate the stupid for about 5 minutes and do nothing except antagonise those of us who already know what's going on.
Matt.
Matt, you're missing the vital point, it would stop people expecting him to be sacked day in and day out. Who would honestly want to be in his shoes right now? Some will no doubt point to his salary and lifestyle, ok, but who would want to be under the stress he is right now? I'm thinking about the bigger picture, the hostility towards him is something I know would make me crack and do something irresponsible, you would end up agreeing with hector and brucie.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:43
by wodger of awabia
ferrarilover wrote:More boring and feeble misrepresentation from Hector. Anyone would think we were doing well, such is the trouble he seems to have making a case from such excellent evidence without resorting to, often, total fabrication.
Dave, we don't often disagree (mainly because you're bigger than me), but I REALLY don't see what a statement will offer. All is will do is state the present situation. A situation of which all of us are acutely aware. We're bottom, we wish we weren't, Knill is still manager. They won't reveal anything more than that and we all (even the morons, surely) know this. It will sate the stupid for about 5 minutes and do nothing except antagonise those of us who already know what's going on.
Matt.
Yes they won't issue a statement until the status quo changes. If they say that they are sticking with Knill then I don't think they will sell many half season tickets, so best "keep mum".
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:45
by Southampton Gull
hector wrote:
You join your other 9 friends (probably actually just 3) in your state of denial and watch the club sink even further, the longer Knill is in charge.
Hector, hostilities aside, I have a question for you. This downward spiral has been occurring since before Knill came to us. Were Ling, Taylor and Knill all just bad managers, or is there something else that might just be at fault?
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:51
by hector
Southampton Gull wrote:
Hector, hostilities aside, I have a question for you. This downward spiral has been occurring since before Knill came to us. Were Ling, Taylor and Knill all just bad managers, or is there something else that might just be at fault?
Well, Taylor obviously was - thrust into a situation in which he was miles out of his depth and in my view so is Knill.
Some would argue that Ling was doing ok before he went off, although they had a dodgy run just before he did. Who knows how things would have panned out, had Ling not become ill?
We may have sank like we did, or we might have remained hard to beat and finished mid-table. Clearly, we no longer are hard to beat and neither were Scunny under Knill.
I think Ling got tarnished with what happened to his team after he left. The rumours relating to the nature of his illness did not help his credibility either. I think the board got swept along on the wave of relief, expressed by fans, of staying up and plumped for Knill because it was an easy option and they thought it would be popular. It was lazy and it has backfired.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:53
by Southampton Gull
Yet Bury were.............
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:57
by hector
Southampton Gull wrote:Yet Bury were.............
So were Stockport under Dave Jones, so were Hamburg under Martin Jol, so were Burnley under Owen Coyle, so were Bournemouth under Sean O'Driscoll - managers who were judged on what they are doing now rather than the odd/rare good season in the past.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 22:59
by Southampton Gull
Managing at Clubs who could afford to get in a replacement as well as paying up their departed manager.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 23:02
by hector
Southampton Gull wrote:Managing at Clubs who could afford to get in a replacement as well as paying up their departed manager.
If the board came out now and said 'We are not going to sack Alan Knill because we cannot afford too, then supporters would just turn around and say, well that's it for me, I won't bother.'
If they are going to do that anyway, then the result will be the same. Supporters will just stay away. They cannot afford that either.
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 23:12
by Southampton Gull
Maybe they would, what does that say about them as fans? I'd like to think that the majority would rally around the Club when they most need it. Maybe I have too much faith in our fanbase?
Club Statement
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 23:20
by Scott Brehaut
Ok, so here is where I expose myself as thick and stupid (again).
If the club really can't afford to sack Alan now, how is giving him, say, until Christmas to turn it around, going to make any difference?
If the money isn't there, it isn't there - waiting will, in essence, make it worse because, if the results don't change, people will simply stay away....I know that might be the wrong thing to do, but people want to be entertained - watching your team get thumped each week and paying for the privilege isn't entertainment, it's torture....it will be just the season ticket holders left, and they've paid their money anyway.
So, IF they sack him at Christmas, what has changed?
Or, are the Board basically saying that there is no money and therefore what happens, happens, regardless?