In the end

tomogull · Post by **tomogull** » 24 Feb 2014, 13:36

Come on lads - let's not throw in the towel just yet. We were all shell-shocked after Saturday's abyssmal display but it's past and gone. I was as despondent as anyone on here. But maybe, just maybe, that gutless display will result in CH demanding more determination and more commitment which could turn things around. I'm now looking forward to tomorrow night and three points ...... and something at Hartlepool which could put us back on track. Yes - Andy, Matt and Brucie - I'm clutching at straws but we've got to clutch at something !

Post by **Scott Brehaut** » 24 Feb 2014, 13:36

forevertufc wrote:That's because you're not seeing certain things that I am, for a start you have to ask yourself a question, why did Alan Knill believe he had room left to sign Cooper in the summer, as he tried to, to find the money wasn't there, yet days after AK was sacked money was found to sign Cooper, Shaun Cooper wouldn't have had some road to Damascus experience, and suddenly drop his wage demands by half , now would he? Had AK been allowed to sign Cooper as he wanted to, our full back problem might not have been so bad, now would it?

The same could be said of Ling - I've heard from numerous sources that he had been told to use youth etc as there was zero funds available - yet they were magically given when Juan took over....

Glostergull · Post by **Glostergull** » 24 Feb 2014, 13:48

I am one of those who wasn't in favour of appointing Alan Knill. Yes I know he was at the helm when we survived last season, But if you looked at history, You would find that every time we had a new manager in to save our skins at the death, and then offered him the job on a permanent basis. It all collapsed the following season.
I don't know why this is. It just is.
Rovers too had the same problem. I checked a few other clubs and it is a surprisingly common thing.
That is my main reasoning behind this. look at the last few years and you will see I am right.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 24 Feb 2014, 13:49

Yes Dave but Knill couldn't motivate or mould the the players already here into an effective unit including the ones he DID sign and the ones he DID bring in on loan. With this in mind then even he had signed Cooper when he did or anyone else for that matter the likelihood was that they wouldn't have made a difference anyway due to Knill being so sh*t.

Our squad is not one full of bottom of the league players, it just looks like it because if the way they are managed.

Knill could have had the budget of a Fleetwood or Chesterfield and still struggled because he is not very good. Giving that man even more cash to waste on frivolous flights of fancy like Mozika would have been a huge mistake. He is clueless.

Sure he may have had contacts to bring in players but it's what he does with them once he has got them that is the issue. I go back to a point I made during last seasons relegation scrap. Why can a team from the lower reaches of non-league give league sides a fright in cup ties? Why do league teams play top flight opposition in cup ties and do well? Because they approach the game in the right manner and find the energy and desire from deep within. Poor footballers can give anyone a game given the right application and although many of you believe that simple hard work isn't good enough well add a high tempo and high pressing and it gives everyone a boost. That is really all we need to get out of this, not extra players. We just need the right attitude and real grit and desire. Get the wingers to be wingers and get the full backs forward. Get balls whipped in and get players forward. Alternatively we could play like we did against Accrington and just have Hawley back to goal all afternoon laying off balls to the wingers who daren't risk homing in on goal so hold it up but when they get the ball over there is nobody there because they are all too frightened of making a mistake.

Knill could have had Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar and still made them look like a trio of plumbers. He would also have dropped Ronaldo and sent Messi out on loan to Tiverton. We wasted no more money thank God.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 24 Feb 2014, 13:51

If we start slowly on Tuesday we get beat. Get out of the traps, get players forward in their droves and get f*cking stuck in there!! We leave ourselves exposed yes but we'll get beaten anyway so go out and try and win the game FFS!!

Post by **Dave** » 24 Feb 2014, 14:15

Scott Brehaut wrote: The same could be said of Ling - I've heard from numerous sources that he had been told to use youth etc as there was zero funds available - yet they were magically given when Juan took over....

Scott, I, 100% agree with you there, I'm in no doubt that both ML and AK where right royally forked over. My main issue with ML and this may seem beyond harsh, was the question mark over his health and the main reason why I thought it was right not to let him return to his job, like many I heard so many different rumours, from Cancer to the demon drink, it turned out to be a mental health issue, and he has my sympathy and truly I wish him the best with that.

ML has now revealed he suffered similar problems while manager of Cambridge, so clearly football management is the root cause of those problems to me, and makes me think the decision not to let him resume his job was the correct one, he's now running a football coaching school, something he will be very successful at, and I wish him the best with.

Andy, agree with your sentiment on Knill, but when one, you've had the rug pulled from under your feet, and two, there's spanners being thrown at you , motivating people can be a hard thing to do.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 24 Feb 2014, 14:19

forevertufc wrote: Scott, I, 100% agree with you there, I'm in no doubt that both ML and AK where right royally forked over. My main issue with ML and this may seem beyond harsh, was the question mark over his health and the main reason why I thought it was right not to let him return to his job, like many I heard so many different rumours, from Cancer to the demon drink, it turned out to be a mental health issue, and he has my sympathy and truly I wish him the best with that.

ML has now revealed he suffered similar problems while manager of Cambridge, so clearly football management is the root cause of those problems to me, and makes me think the decision not to let him resume his job was the correct one, he's now running a football coaching school, something he will be very successful at, and I wish him the best with.

Andy, agree with your sentiment on Knill, but when one, you've had the rug pulled from under your feet, and two, there's spanners being thrown at you , motivating people can be a hard thing to do.

Yes so you walk away from the job because you cannot do it anymore or explain to the fans what is REALLY going on and risk the sack. Two options there, both altruistic but both morally correct. You don't just keep on taking the wedge and making things worse. Makes me think even less of him now.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 24 Feb 2014, 14:23

I don't think we'll agree on this Dave but I take your point about the board.

wivelgull · Post by **wivelgull** » 24 Feb 2014, 15:55

The trouble is that there's nothing to build on. It's the forwards, isn't it? None of them are any good!

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 24 Feb 2014, 16:05

Scott Brehaut wrote:The same could be said of Ling - I've heard from numerous sources that he had been told to use youth etc as there was zero funds available - yet they were magically given when Juan took over....

Which would be the part of the wage budget that was saved from not paying Howe (a wodge), Saah, Stevens, Jarvis, Macklin, Oastler and whoever else left in the summer.

Post by **Scott Brehaut** » 24 Feb 2014, 16:13

Sunnysideup wrote: Which would be the part of the wage budget that was saved from not paying Howe (a wodge), Saah, Stevens, Jarvis, Macklin, Oastler and whoever else left in the summer.

This was before the summer ended.

Money was made available for loans that wasn't there for Ling.

Besides, what about the stack of cash made by the sale of Bobby and Eunan......

Sunnysideup · Post by **Sunnysideup** » 24 Feb 2014, 16:25

Scott, it was 2 bloody loanees that were here short term (a whole month each was it?) that we were paying little for. That was hardly breaking the bank was it.

As for the transfer fees, it clearly wasnt given to Knill either.

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