I would just like to share a comment that I made on an Everton forum (called "ToffeeTalk, for the thinking Evertonian, a complete joke that!). I heard that some of these thinking Evertonians were saying that they had "earned the right" to have a B team in the League (yes, really). So I have been debating with folk that just will not listen. Gullscorer has said on another thread that we should use "reasoned argument". Well I tried that with the comment below! I found a reference to an article that explains the damage done by having Bundesliga B teams in the German second tier, the Everton c**ts don't want to hear this at all. The article is worth a read: [url]http://www.wsc.co.uk...8-the-killer-bs[/url]
Anyway, my comments was as follows, I hope it helps debate:
"""Have you even read the article that I attached? I think you don't want to listen to anything I have said. Let me put it very simply then, supporters of lower league sides and their clubs will not accept these proposals under any circumstances. Why? Just look at what would happen:
Year 1
League 3 is formed, 10 Conference sides, 10 Premiership Reserve teams. Fourteen Conference sides are therefore effectively relegated further away from Leagues 1and 2 at a swoop. The 10 Conference sides in League 3 can now "look forward" to home games against the ten reserve sides (the majority of their home games) with no away fans attending. No atmosphere, no banter, lower crowds, no prospect whatsoever or TV interest in the game (Halifax v Stoke City Reserves? Come on!).
Consequence of year 1 - the 10 former conference sides couldn't compete with the Premiership Reserve sides' resources, two of the Reserve Sides finish top and are promoted. The impact of year 1 on the finances of the 10 former Conference sides is disastrous, lost gate money, disenchanted fans, no prospect of promotion until all the Reserve sides have gone up (5 years of this!). 1 or 2 former Conference sides go bust.
Year 2
Two Reserve sides in League 2, both promoted to League 1.
Consequence of year 2 - Limited prospects for promotion now for League 2 sides (they also can't compete with Premiership resources) with years of this decay to follow. Fans become disenchanted.
More former Conference sides in financial difficulty as the second year of a lot of home games with no away fans, no atmosphere at games, no banter, no prospect of promotion continues. More go bust.
Year 3
Two Reserve sides in League 1, their final destination. They of course will finish top, denying promotion to other sides. The Championship sides will love this, as the sides that are due to be promoted cannot go up (no Reserve sides will be allowed in the Championship).
Consequence of Year 3 - the Championship begins to ossify, no relegation for years to come. League 1 and League 2 supporters don't bother going to games, nothing to fight for as no/limited promotion prospects. No away fans for home games against Reserve sides, decay begins. Some clubs on the edge financially.
Subsequent years
The Championship ossifies, League 1 and 2 non Reserve league sides' fans resent lack of promotion, lack of atmosphere at home games and begin to stay away. The damage to the former Conference sides in League 3 has already been done.
The Premiership sides who don't have a B team in the League demand entry too. The process goes around again.
Consequence, Dyke and his hare brained scheme have destroyed a League pyramid structure that has given fans entertainment and good football for many years. Creating a competitive Premiership Reserve League NOW would be far better and cause far less damage.
And what is all this for? To make England better? Well it won't, England haven't competed on the international scene well for years. The problem is lack of coaching, lack of facilities (who sold off school playing fields?), inappropriate approaches to schoolboy football that crush future stars, short termism by Premiership sides. By the last comment I mean that Premiership fans and owners demand instant success, so the home grown talent doesn't get a chance. Eventually the home talent leaves, their ambition crushed. And if you seriously think that the League 3 proposals will develop home talent then you want your head read.
In short the solution to England's failure is not League 3. The causes are complex, but blame lies at the door of the useless, incompetent FA, stuffed full of men with blazers who love to go on junkets. It also lies with the greed of the Premiership and the Governments who sold the playing fields that our kids used to use. """
It may be emotive, but I feel very emotional about this issue, as it would finish off the League structure that we know and the teams that we love. I have suggested in my comment that at some stage the other Premiership teams will want their B teams in as well. The end result of this would be a League 1 that consists almost entirely of Premiership Reserve teams not able to be promoted. League 2 would be a deathly place, with the promotions being largely the Premiership Reserve sides relegated from League 1 the previous year. League 1 would essentially form a barrier between the Championship and the hoi polloi, a terrible prospect. I have explained that the fans of clubs in League 1, 2 and the Conference do not want to see that the next game for their club is home to Stoke City reserves, with no away fans, no passion, no banter and nothing whatsoever to play for. Why not just have a reserve league for Premiership clubs that DOESN'T act as a barrier between the Championship and League 1?
The selfishness of these people is staggering. They already have a team in the Premiership, now they want their reserves to play in and screw up our League. And they think that they have "earned" the right to screw us up, bastards.