But it's not just about trade and economics of course. We'll be an independent nation, in control of our own borders, our own laws, and our own taxes. Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon claims to want independence for Scotland, but is quite happy for Scotland to be subsumed into the anti-democratic EU superstate.
I wish we really could become an independent nation making decisions for ourselves based on Britains self interest. But that is never going to be the case while we are still tied to American foreign policy whims through our membership of NATO.
What's the point of leaving the EU if we still have to spend vast amounts of money defending eastern EU nations from Russia due to our NATO commitments. Why on earth should we run the risk of getting nuked for the sake of countries who send their youngsters over here to take our jobs and welfare handouts?
forevertufc wrote: ↑18 Jan 2017, 19:20
As the 4th largest economy in the world, we don't need it, short pain, for long term gain, I'm in.
Just a quick one. We WERE the 4th largest economy in the world...until the morning after Brexit when France overtook us cos the pound was devalued so much. :}
madgull wrote: ↑24 Jan 2017, 16:59
Just a quick one. We WERE the 4th largest economy in the world...until the morning after Brexit when France overtook us cos the pound was devalued so much. :}
We were the 5th largest economy before Brexit (after USA, China, Japan, Germany), we slumped to 6th due to fall in sterling afterwards.
Typical example of character assassination. Whoever Gina miller is or is not, she believed that the British government was trying to subvert the British constitution and as an ordinary British citizen decided to make a stand. The verdict shows she was right. The daily mail are little better than those rabid leavers who issued death threats to her.
It is to your shame that you choose to further denigrate her by posting this link. She has a lot more guts than you.
Wish we could cut the bullshit here. For a start the UK does NOT have a written constitution, it has an unwritten constitution, so it's quite laughable to hear everyone banging on about upholding something that doesn't exist.
There is no need for any character assignation against Gina Miller she did, what she believed was right and won, however she is another one that can cut the bull, when she says it's nothing to do with stopping the process of Brexit, it was all about the law, ballhocks, it was about throwing another spanner in the Brexit works, Miller was hoping the supreme court would rule the devolved governments would need to be consulted, Miller knew exactly what that would have meant, as that alone could have delayed the process even starting by years, that's the truth of it.
Miller knows that the invoking of article 50 in the grand scheme of things is pretty meaningless, it's just a notification of a member states intentions to negotiate their withdrawal, it does not tie in our country to leave the EU. To withdraw completely MP's and the house of Lords were always going to a vote and the final say on when and how, as the European Communities Act 1972 has to be repealed, that can only be done through parliament.
This whole legal challenge to who has the right over invoke article 50 was a massive waste of time and money, surprised the government even fought it, they will introduce a bill now, they will it, article 50 will get invoked, but as said that does not mean our country will ever leave the EU.
As for the value of the pound, come on, you don't need to be an expert to know any currency can rise, fall, rise again massively in one day, it's happened many times before, even before the good old EU, just to point out Brexit has not happened yet, so there uncertainty, that was always going to happen, so currency speculators are betting against the pound, once we leave, and it's seen our country is more than strong enough to stand on it's own two feet, what will happen to the pound then, yes, of course it will surge.
I've never felt so comfortable that the EU in it's current form is coming to an end, it may take a few years, but it will happen, you only have look around at France, Holland and Italy, to see which way their country's are heading politically. Having Europe trading together and working together was not a bad thing, it wasn't broken, and didn't need fixing .
Only the criminally stupid can fail to see, that closer political union, monetary union, see Greece, Italy etc, and freedom of movement of people, is nothing far short of fork in disaster.
From the 'comments' section: 'The judges say the Article 50 question must be put before Parliament because the 2015 Referendum Bill did not specifically state what must happen after the referendum. And yet, as far as I am aware, in cases where there is no other way of providing clarity, the judicial system has always relied upon common everyday dictionary definitions, which, for a referendum, is 'the submission of an issue of public importance to the direct vote of the electorate'. So it could not be more clear to a six-year-old that, by means of the 2015 Referendum Bill, in the matter of EU membership Parliament ceded sovereignty to the electorate. And it is with the electorate, not Parliament, that ultimate sovereignty resides.'
As for Gina Miller, are we expected to believe that a passionate Remainer and EU-phile gives a damn about the sovereignty of our Parliament? If memory serves, the idea of leaving the EU made her feel sick. Gina Miller cares nothing for the sovereignty of parliament, she just wants to stop Brexit.
S4fedr1ve wrote: ↑26 Jan 2017, 15:40
So agreeing with a rag like the Daily Smell now are we. Gina for PM!!
Miles better than the Guardian, but best of all is the Express. The BBC, Sky, and Channel 4 are, of course, all beyond redemption. The BBC will soon be history, to be replaced by the Breitbart Broadcasting Corporation..
For the record, all our local MPs (Kevin Foster, Sarah Wollaston, and Anne Marie Morris) voted in Parliament this evening in accordance with the EU referendum decision and voted for the Article 50 Bill to take us out of the EU.
Further challenges no doubt lie ahead, not least from the EU itself, but what vistas and opportunities open up before us as an independent global (not to be confused with globalisation) trading nation.
This story is huge in France, yet it's hardly mentioned in the mainstream media in the UK, certainly not on the BBC. Our media for the most part hates Brexit, hates Trump, and they feed us nothing but Marxist-feminist-Liberal-PC propaganda. And their opinion polls are intended to influence voting intentions rather than reflect them. It's the same in the USA and in the EU countries. Thankfully this is becoming obvious to the majority of people everywhere. This is why Wilders will win in Holland, and Le Pen in France, much to the surprise and dismay of the ruling elites.
“For well over a hundred years, people in Britain were free to buy and sell in whichever measures they pleased. If they wanted to use imperial, they could. If they wanted to use metric, they could. It didn’t hurt anyone or inconvenience anyone. In January 2000, that freedom was taken away. There were raids on greengrocers’ shops and market stalls. There were prosecutions. Honest traders were turned into criminals. It was madness – and the fact that ‘metric martyrs’ like the late Steven Thoburn still have criminal records on file is nothing short of wicked. It would be a truly wonderful thing to have our freedom back.” http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02 ... ts-brexit/
