Danny Stevens - Thankyou

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 14 Jul 2013, 22:35

ferrarilover wrote:You're free to not click on the link which opens the thread. I am sick of Volkswagens, do I, A) not buy a VW or B) campaign for VWs to be banned from British roads?

Matt.

Trojan is well out of order but it's his view so let him have it.

PlainmoorRoar · Post by **PlainmoorRoar** » 14 Jul 2013, 22:44

deary me, Matt again being an idiot,

Loved the link in another thread about Joe Oastler interesting to see him being prasied by Matt saying he was TOO good for us!!

HA!

Post by **Scott Brehaut** » 14 Jul 2013, 22:56

I don't speak for the rest of the admins here, and I'm sure if they disagree then they will speak up.

I haven't done anything about Trojans post for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, he is perfectly entitled to his opinion. In the same way we are entitled to state our opinions as to whether or not we agree with his viewpoint. I only saw Danny play on a few occasions throughout his Torquay career and so can't form as good an opinion of him as others on this board. For what it's worth, I thank him for his efforts, in the same way as I thank any player that has played for us. It doesn't mean I like them, but I'm grateful for their contribution.

Secondly. I have left the post as is due to the fact that it speaks volumes of the person who wrote it.

I appreciate it is not to the taste of everybody, however the same could be said of many other posts and if the admin team deleted, or edited, every post that could offend, the forum would be heavily sanitised to the point that there would be little reason in keeping it open.

I know not everybody is going to agree with this action, and should you have any major grievances please PM myself or one of the other admin members, however on this occasion I am going to leave this thread as is.

Scott

Post by **Scott Brehaut** » 14 Jul 2013, 22:56

PlainmoorRoar wrote:deary me, Matt again being an idiot,

Loved the link in another thread about Joe Oastler interesting to see him being prasied by Matt saying he was TOO good for us!!

HA!

Have you never had an opinion that has changed as time has gone on?

Post by **Trojan 67** » 14 Jul 2013, 23:48

I just got sick and tired of naive posters bigging up a player who from my viewpoint didn't deserve it. I almost said opinion.

Post from Admin noted.

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tomogull · Post by **tomogull** » 15 Jul 2013, 00:34

Sorry, Scott - I think you got this one very wrong. We are all entitled to our opinions about the abilities of certain players. That's what helps to make this Forum tick. But abusive remarks about players, such as Trojan's earlier post on this thread, should not be allowed. He can express his opinion that Stevens is a cr*p player - no problem with that if that's how he feels, but to make insulting comments about him is not acceptable. However, I have to agree with you that it says more about Trojan than it does about Danny.

Post by **Trojan 67** » 15 Jul 2013, 00:50

tomogull wrote: However, I have to agree with you that it says more about Trojan than it does about Danny.

usagullmichigan · Post by **usagullmichigan** » 15 Jul 2013, 03:52

tomogull wrote:Sorry, Scott - I think you got this one very wrong. We are all entitled to our opinions about the abilities of certain players. That's what helps to make this Forum tick. But abusive remarks about players, such as Trojan's earlier post on this thread, should not be allowed. He can express his opinion that Stevens is a cr*p player - no problem with that if that's how he feels, but to make insulting comments about him is not acceptable. However, I have to agree with you that it says more about Trojan than it does about Danny.

Maybe the forum needs to be a over 18's only if we are going to allow posts like Trojans.

Matt85 · Post by **Matt85** » 15 Jul 2013, 12:08

Everything about this has turned into a joke and is why so many people unfortunately stay away from this site. Fear of sanitising the forum? Entitled to an opinion? More like a free run to hurl abusive and personal insults at a player who has served our club well for many years. Start a Danny Stevens haters thread if need be! But in this instance keep your opinion to yourself, or at the very least have some finesse. For things Danny lacked I think 'shorn off ' is more suited to the penis who is entitled to his insults, sorry I mean opinion, in my opinion.

Post by **Scott Brehaut** » 15 Jul 2013, 12:29

Matt85 wrote:Everything about this has turned into a joke and is why so many people unfortunately stay away from this site. Fear of sanitising the forum? Entitled to an opinion? More like a free run to hurl abusive and personal insults at a player who has served our club well for many years. Start a Danny Stevens haters thread if need be! But in this instance keep your opinion to yourself, or at the very least have some finesse. For things Danny lacked I think 'shorn off ' is more suited to the penis who is entitled to his insults, sorry I mean opinion, in my opinion.

Like I said, I've given you my reasons for leaving it. The other admins are free to comment if they wish (though it is their right to not say anything if they don't want to).

I'd like to think we are all adults that can act in a mature way, and not be nannied on the forum. I've removed lots of abuse before and it has been dealt with in the appropriate manner. Alas, we can never get it right 100% of the time. Some people will take offence to people swearing, others to people using the word "Jesus" etc.

Where do you draw the line?

How many people need to be offended by a post before it is deemed "offensive"?

There are clearly times when a post is obviously offensive - however Trojans post is a tricky one to call.

I guess that is something that us Admins need to take into account when making decisions - as evidenced by the comments on here, sometimes those decisions will not be deemed correct and that is one of the difficult things about being an administrator on the site!!

Richinns · Post by **Richinns** » 15 Jul 2013, 12:37

I think everyone needs to chill out. Seems the heat is getting to everyone!

What trojan wrote (in my opinion) was wrong and he (including a post from myself) was rightly (again in my opinion) taken to task on it.

However - he is allowed an opinion and we are allowed a return opinion to this. Is this not what the whole point of a forum is?

As to where you draw the line - the mods cannot win as some say they are not active enough and some call them the gestapo.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 15 Jul 2013, 12:38

Richinns wrote:I think everyone needs to chill out. Seems the heat is getting to everyone!

What trojan wrote (in my opinion) was wrong and he (including a post from myself) was rightly (again in my opinion) taken to task on it.

However - he is allowed an opinion and we are allowed a return opinion to this. Is this not what the whole point of a forum is?

As to where you draw the line - the mods cannot win as some say they are not active enough and some call them the gestapo.

Spot on richinns.

mickyflash · Post by **mickyflash** » 15 Jul 2013, 13:05

Well said Scott. I agree with pretty much all you have put

What a sensitive bunch this political correctness era has turned us all into. Football and forums are all about opinions and we are not all going to have the same one. What happens the next time we lose at home 0-4? Will we have to delete the match day thread for fear of hurting the players feelings.

I certainly do not visit, read and occasionally post on this site for the players benefit. I give my time, energy, money and support on a Saturday. I visit this site to interact with other like minded people and hear their views.

Personally I am glad and not one bit surprised Danny and Joe have left, both were poor, but at the same time I am completely against AustrianAndy's criticism of Billy Bodin. I feel he is probably the player we had last season, if not in the best form.

Does that give me the right to tell Andy to shut up. or to stop going on about him? As some of you have. No

He is entitled to his opinion and I am entitled to disagree with him, and also entitled as I often do, to scroll right past it. Sorry Andy but sometimes they are just too long!

At least Trojans post was on topic which is a rareaty in itself these days (i am aware that so is this post and discussion) and Torquay united related. It sure beats reading about how someone used to own an orange car.

AustrianAndyGull · Post by **AustrianAndyGull** » 15 Jul 2013, 13:43

mickyflash wrote:Well said Scott. I agree with pretty much all you have put

What a sensitive bunch this political correctness era has turned us all into. Football and forums are all about opinions and we are not all going to have the same one. What happens the next time we lose at home 0-4? Will we have to delete the match day thread for fear of hurting the players feelings.

I certainly do not visit, read and occasionally post on this site for the players benefit. I give my time, energy, money and support on a Saturday. I visit this site to interact with other like minded people and hear their views.

Personally I am glad and not one bit surprised Danny and Joe have left, both were poor, but at the same time I am completely against AustrianAndy's criticism of Billy Bodin. I feel he is probably the player we had last season, if not in the best form.

Does that give me the right to tell Andy to shut up. or to stop going on about him? As some of you have. NoHe is entitled to his opinion and I am entitled to disagree with him, and also entitled as I often do, to scroll right past it. Sorry Andy but sometimes they are just too long!

At least Trojans post was on topic which is a rareaty in itself these days (i am aware that so is this post and discussion) and Torquay united related. It sure beats reading about how someone used to own an orange car.

Some good points mickey and I too go to a large proportion of games mostly away but i'm hoping to get to more home games this season as I live nearly 300 miles away. I like to hear peoples views and I like to post my own. I'm no different to Brucie with the Bodin thingy in the sense that all Brucie says is "he's crap", "he's crap" and other derogatory terms about players when I generally like to try and explain the reasons why I thought someone had a crap game and why si think someone (like Bodin) might be crap. I'm not saying he is crap for the sake of it. I'm basing my assumption on what I have seen on a fairly regular basis with my own eyes.

I think you are right to come on and politely tell me to stop going on about Billy. I am fully aware that I do become quite incessant with criticisms and digs of him (although I feel most are thoroughly warranted) and I am aware that it does get on peoples t*ts but i'm only posting an opinion. For example, what do I do if Billy begins the season abysmally and I go to a game and he plays like a wounded badger? When I am trying to convey my views on the particular match am I supposed to leave him out? I'd certainly write about him and give him praise if he does well which I have done in the past but nobody notices that do they?

The problem is mickey it is the way that people phrase their request for me to stop going on about him (an other). Some have been downright mardy f*ckers and that's not on. If someone writes it aggressively I visualize that sentence as though someone is in my face saying it and as I would if that were the case then to put it mildly i'm not going to like it am I? I will react and so they get an abusive response and suddenly i'm a total knob again.

You are more than welcome to tell me you are fed up with the criticism and done in the right manner I can accept that and try my best not to go ott all the time. Doing it in the wrong manner just gets peoples backs up and it's these people that are the problem.

It's a fair post mickey and a sensible one.

Matt85 · Post by **Matt85** » 15 Jul 2013, 14:20

Mickeyflash reactions to a calling a long serving player a tiny shorn off little **** runt on a thread that is supposed to be thanking him for his service isn't PC gone wrong. Just no need.

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