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This year’s seems like the teams getting relegated with have accumulated a very high total in comparison to other years. Usually teams or a team becomes detached off the bottom and sometimes 46 will see you safe. It looks like it will be a lot higher this year and I think even if the magic 50 points mark is met then you could very easily still go down.
This is unheard of and a strange occurrence and looking back through recent years I think the highest somebody has got relegated from League 2 with was Exeter with 49?

Two wins and a draw from our 6 games left and even this will not guarantee us safety!

Richinns wrote:This year’s seems like the teams getting relegated with have accumulated a very high total in comparison to other years. Usually teams or a team becomes detached off the bottom and sometimes 46 will see you save. It looks like it will be a lot higher this year and I think even if the magic 50 points mark is met then you could very easily still go down.
This is unheard of and a strange occurrence and looking back through recent years I think the highest somebody has got relegated from League 2 with was Exeter with 49?
Two wins a a draw from our 6 games left and even this will not guarantee us safety!

F*cking typical!

I do think that 2 wins will be enough but as we've only won 1 away game in 4 months and have to go to Gillingham and Morecambe where we might get a draw at the latter, that still leaves us needing to beat both Barnet AND Rovers quite possibly. When you quantify the task ahead in realistic terms then it becomes clear to me that relegation is an inevitability i'm ashamed to say. We just don't have the players to match the likes of Labadie in the side. Yes we've drawn at Daggers, Accy and Southend and played well and lost at Northampton but it's still another 4 away games gone and we haven't won. The players are feeling it at Plainmoor too, 2 wins will be enough but we don't look like getting them.

I seem to recall that last year was a particularly high Auto promotion tally too. Why do we keep falling victim to this?

Matt.

It's not about being unlucky for me or falling victim to record points totals, the league is the same for everybody. At the end of the season you finish where you deserve to, and at this moment in time we deserve to be where we are as we have been dire.

There is still hope left (bar any repeat performances of yesterday). We CAN do it.

Indeed Matt, had this years total happened last season at the top end, we more than likey would have gone up.

We also played a big part in the record points total relegation season. It was the season of Atkin's great escape, when it was Oxford who went down on 49 pts and that is the record. Had Oxford won that day I do believe Stockport would have gone down on 52 pts.

The second highest total was Lincoln with 47 pts, I have now revised my total, 49 pts will now not be enough, 52 pts will be needed, so simple 2 wins 4 games to get them.

This happened to us in 2005 as well, from league 1. I think you could get a team with 50 points going down. This is related to the fact that the points totals of the top teams is relatively low. Currently there is a gap of only 35 points between top and bottom and 23 between the last auto place and relegation. Last year there was a gap of almost 60 points between top and bottom.

How congested this league is, can be demonstrated by the fact that Bristol Rovers, who have spent most of the season fighting relegation, are now nearer the play-offs than the relegation zone.

This is even more pronounced in the Championship, where Derby - currently 8th with 6 games left and 6 points off the play-offs - will only be 4 points clear of relegation if the teams below them win their games in hand. Is this a sign of ultra competitive leagues or simply that teams are all average and the leagues are crap?

hector wrote:This happened to us in 2005 as well, from league 1. I think you could get a team with 50 points going down. This is related to the fact that the points totals of the top teams is relatively low. Currently there is a gap of only 35 points between top and bottom and 23 between the last auto place and relegation. Last year there was a gap of almost 60 points between top and bottom.

How congested this league is, can be demonstrated by the fact that Bristol Rovers, who have spent most of the season fighting relegation, are now nearer the play-offs than the relegation zone.

This is even more pronounced in the Championship, where Derby - currently 8th with 6 games left and 6 points off the play-offs - will only be 4 points clear of relegation if the teams below them win their games in hand. Is this a sign of ultra competitive leagues or simply that teams are all average and the leagues are crap?

I don't know but if we'd have spent our away games trying desperately to score rather than not concede then it wouldn't matter. I put it down to a crap team made even crapper by a crap manager. :~D

hector wrote:This happened to us in 2005 as well, from league 1. I think you could get a team with 50 points going down. This is related to the fact that the points totals of the top teams is relatively low. Currently there is a gap of only 35 points between top and bottom and 23 between the last auto place and relegation. Last year there was a gap of almost 60 points between top and bottom.

How congested this league is, can be demonstrated by the fact that Bristol Rovers, who have spent most of the season fighting relegation, are now nearer the play-offs than the relegation zone.

This is even more pronounced in the Championship, where Derby - currently 8th with 6 games left and 6 points off the play-offs - will only be 4 points clear of relegation if the teams below them win their games in hand. Is this a sign of ultra competitive leagues or simply that teams are all average and the leagues are crap?

May be wrong but we'rnt we one of the only teams to go down from league one with 51 points ??

I think the key to our survival might be Dagenham, they're only 2 points above us with only 1 win in 10. Their last 2 games are against Aldershot and York, so if we can get to those final games above all 3 somehow we may just scrape through with them taking points off each other (York have Stanley this weekend as well).

Weren't we in this same position last year, praying for wins that didn't look like coming, and the 'staw clingers' getting aggressive on this site... I've often stated on here that 52 points will be enough, so I'm certain that 2 wins will do it BUT if I had £10 to gamble on that happening or winning the first prize on the Lottery, it would go on the Lottery as the odds are far better.

Anything could still happen but there are now no 'lame ducks' in the battle. A win at Gillingham would do the trick, would love it but it's no likely to happen.....Be realistic now as the possible unexpected high will be great and the bottomless low won't hurt too much.

7 years ago we - as the bottom team - got a win at champions elect, Carlisle. But then Ian Atkins had galvanised a poor team to play beyond their capabilities. Sadly, Alan Knill has not had the same effect on a team that - on paper - is much better than the one that stayed up in 2006. However, there are not players in this team who can play 'above themselves' but instead think they are better than they are and therefore we end up with the lamest of performances such as the one v Bradford.

Following United's defeat against Bradford it may have escaped many minds that avoiding relegation is now out of Torquay's hands. If they win all their remaining games they can still be relegated.

coley wrote:Weren't we in this same position last year, praying for wins that didn't look like coming, and the 'staw clingers' getting aggressive on this site... I've often stated on here that 52 points will be enough, so I'm certain that 2 wins will do it BUT if I had £10 to gamble on that happening or winning the first prize on the Lottery, it would go on the Lottery as the odds are far better.

Anything could still happen but there are now no 'lame ducks' in the battle. A win at Gillingham would do the trick, would love it but it's no likely to happen.....Be realistic now as the possible unexpected high will be great and the bottomless low won't hurt too much.

Coley, 2 wins WILL be enough in my opinion but there's no way we're going to achieve that, especially not now with Labadie being recalled. It's just too much faffing around with the team at such a late stage now to try and fit someone else in and hope for it to be successful. MacDonald was at fault for both the Northampton goal and the one that was disallowed when he let their players have free unmarked headers in the middle of the area. Downes should have been picked for that gamebut with hindsight that is easy to say. We have hindsight now and Downes SHOULD be picked for the rest of the season. Angus has been superb when needed and is one for the future but he cost us a point on friday.

Oh and i've got the quacks today mate as starting to get a man flu type thingy to accompany my glandular virusy thingy so i definately WON'T be able to get to Gillingham on saturday so i won't be able to meet up. Probably just as well for you! :~D I reckon there will only be 16 Gulls fans there anyway as i'll have given all them who were at Northampton the lurgy and they'll all be in bed ill!!

Another time mate but hope you enjoy the loss, err sorry, game. :~D

Sesimbra wrote:Following United's defeat against Bradford it may have escaped many minds that avoiding relegation is now out of Torquay's hands. If they win all their remaining games they can still be relegated.

Maybe you have done the maths and this is correct, but I thought that others in and around the relegation zone had to play each other and therefore one (or both) were bound to drop points.

York Plymouth and Aldershot do not have to play each other. Plymouth & Aldershot have a game in hand. Only York could end up lower than Torquay if all win.